(July 30, 2014 at 10:51 pm)MPCADF Wrote: I think you misunderstood the opening post.

The opening post shows nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, thus being uncreated.

And I think you misunderstand the concepts of evidence & singularity.

I love your logic "Atheism can't exist because causality of the Big Bang." Seriously, that's what you are bringing to the discussion?

Here is your 1st clue: you can't have causality without temporality. Now, go do a little research.

(July 30, 2014 at 10:58 pm)MPCADF Wrote:

(July 30, 2014 at 10:54 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: When you say 'I don't believe in atheism' you sound really stupid. You know why? Because all atheism is, is: 'a lack of belief in god'. So what you are effectively saying is 'I don't believe in you not believing in my god'. Atheism is a lack of a belief and therefore it is impossible to hold it as a belief.

You do believe in your lack of belief in God. To deny it would be really stupid.

I don't believe in 'a lack of belief in God' because that would be really stupid since the proof in the opening post proves having a lack of belief would be obviously wrong since nature proves the 'uncreated Creator' Whom we call God.

REALLY really stupid

(July 30, 2014 at 10:44 pm)MPCADF Wrote: For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism,

The statement is nonsensical. Atheism is a response to theistic claims, not the other way round. On the single issue of whether or not you think god or gods exist, you ultimately either believe in them, or you do not. If you believe they exist, you are a theist. If not, congratulations, you are an atheist.

Dude, this is logic 101.

Quote:because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist. We only have evidence of causation from 'something', no evidence to the contrary.

Atheism makes no claims about reality. You sir, are attacking imaginary ghosts.

Quote:Therefore, by this evidential reasoning,

Holy hell. Do not just wiki impressive-sounding words and terms, or you'll make yourself look like a right ignorant ass.

Quote:I conclude nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is Whom I call God.

So reality needs to have a cause, yet your god concept doesn't. So your magnum opus is nothing more than special pleading.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special_pleading

I really hope this isn't a one shit wonder

The burden of the proof remains on the atheist because I've done my part with the proof for the 'uncreated Creator' which remains unchallenged.

We observe trillions of cause and effects in nature, and no hard evidence of something from nothing (that is, non-existence), so nature can't start up from nothing.

And nature cannot always have existed because if it did, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

Therefore, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated.

This uncreated Creator is what we are talking about when way say 'God'.

Now that you know God exists find out which religion is the correct one, since only one religion can be true since God does not contradict Himself.

Oh Jesus Christ.

OP, ever heard of the Burden of Proof? You haven't met yours, and neither have any of the countless other theists who have tried to shove this shit down our throats. I thought this "argument" had finally gone by the wayside.

(July 31, 2014 at 4:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I really hope this isn't a one shit wonder

Might as well have been given dickweed's latest response.

Oy vey!

Quote:Simple.

I agree. You are very simple.

(July 31, 2014 at 5:53 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Oh Jesus Christ.

OP, ever heard of the Burden of Proof? You haven't met yours, and neither have any of the countless other theists who have tried to shove this shit down our throats. I thought this "argument" had finally gone by the wayside.

It has gone by the wayside, but Einstein here seems blissfully unaware.

Einstein - if your fucktard god doesn't need a cause, neither does the universe. To claim otherwise is special pleading. The end.

Shhhhh! SSHHHHHHHHH! JHC is going to make a prophecy!!

Einstein is next on the ban list for not engaging and mindlessly preaching.

JHC has spoken! Let His Words be recorded in the Great Atheist Prophecy Annals, Godly Fucktardia Edition. And. May. They. Never. Be. Forgotten.

Now, do we need another orgy thread? Chances are excellent.

Nobody has proof or otherwise this would not still be debated. Common sense tells us to leave fantasy in our wonderful imaginations, but not confuse it with reality. Trust what can be seen.