(August 4, 2014 at 2:46 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 2:22 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: And still, he doesn't fucking get it.

As before, on the one side we have facts and evidence.

And on the other, total bullshit.

And still you don't get it, I have my beliefs as you have yours, why can't just except that ?, are you one of those who must be right all the bloody time, come on be truthful.

You mean must I be right when we're talking about a subject that involves saving people's lives? You're damn fucking straight I am, dipshit.

And I am right, and so is everyone else here except you. Right now my expectations for your ability to provide even a tiny shred of evidence for your childlike beliefs are so low they're next to fucking dinosaur bones.

Having your 'beliefs' is fine. But why you don't expect people to call you out on them when they're demonstrably bullshit is far beyond my comprehension.

I never replied to this thread because the topic doesn't interest me very much and here in europe there aren't many parents refusing to vaccinate their kids, but did I just noticed someone is supporting that vaccination is an evil plot?

(August 4, 2014 at 3:31 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 2:46 am)psychoslice Wrote: And still you don't get it, I have my beliefs as you have yours, why can't just except that ?, are you one of those who must be right all the bloody time, come on be truthful.

You mean must I be right when we're talking about a subject that involves saving people's lives? You're damn fucking straight I am, dipshit.

And I am right, and so is everyone else here except you. Right now my expectations for your ability to provide even a tiny shred of evidence for your childlike beliefs are so low they're next to fucking dinosaur bones.

Having your 'beliefs' is fine. But why you don't expect people to call you out on them when they're demonstrably bullshit is far beyond my comprehension.

Now don't go having a heart attack for Christ sake, its just a belief, no big drama. I respect your belief, but I don't respect your asshole attitude, and I wont take it from anyone here.

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(August 4, 2014 at 3:35 am)Blackout Wrote: I never replied to this thread because the topic doesn't interest me very much and here in europe there aren't many parents refusing to vaccinate their kids, but did I just noticed someone is supporting that vaccination is an evil plot?

No you haven't, its just someone who was affected by a vaccine as a child, who had epileptic fits for four years, who also had terrible migraines that felt like his brain was cooking, yea no big deal.

(August 4, 2014 at 3:21 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 3:10 am)Esquilax Wrote: The only person who stands to gain from trying to put every belief on the same level is the person who's in the wrong.

And of course your right, always right, mmm ?.

... If I didn't think my belief about this was right, why would I continue to hold it?

But then, I'm also not the person here who, rather than presenting evidence, decided that the best course of action was instead to pretend that every belief is equal, which is definitely only a thing that benefits people whose beliefs are factually incorrect or lacking in evidence. Their wrong beliefs get elevated to the same level as correct things, while correct things get dragged down and tarnished by being on the same level as wrong things.

It's much better to accept that some beliefs are worse than others, and some are superior, but to ensure your own beliefs are mutable and change to best fit the evidence. This "hey, I have my beliefs and you have yours!" schtick is just a way to insulate yourself from evidence and self reflection so that you never have to change, but I don't find that persuasive. The man with harmful beliefs has worse beliefs than the one who doesn't, they are not on the same level, and to pretend that they are does a grave disservice not only to the people put in harm's way by what you think of as "just your beliefs," but also to the concept of reality itself.

Sorry, but if your beliefs are wrong, they're wrong, and no amount of holding to the in spite of contradictory evidence will make them true. Also, I'm not sorry. You picked a piece of dishonest rhetoric to be your last thread to pull on, here.

I am sorry for the negative effects a vaccine had on you, but that doesn't justify parents becoming anti-vaccination, considering the benefits vaccines bring. I am happy I was always vaccinated and it prevented me from getting lots of illnesses. I had epileptic seizures until I was 18, but the cause weren't vaccines.

In fact, I recently got my tetanus shot

(August 4, 2014 at 3:46 am)Blackout Wrote: I am sorry for the negative effects a vaccine had on you, but that doesn't justify parents becoming anti-vaccination, considering the benefits vaccines bring. I am happy I was always vaccinated and it prevented me from getting lots of illnesses. I had epileptic seizures until I was 18, but the cause weren't vaccines.

In fact, I recently got my tetanus shot

Well all I know is that just after my vaccination I started to have fits and horrible migraines, my mum told me that I changed from who I was after the vaccination, I also have schizophrenia.

But thanks for you kind reply, you are one in a million on this forum.

(August 4, 2014 at 3:55 am)psychoslice Wrote: But thanks for you kind reply, you are one in a million on this forum.

Would that one in a million be "people who can't recognize the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy"?

(August 4, 2014 at 3:38 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 3:31 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: You mean must I be right when we're talking about a subject that involves saving people's lives? You're damn fucking straight I am, dipshit.

And I am right, and so is everyone else here except you. Right now my expectations for your ability to provide even a tiny shred of evidence for your childlike beliefs are so low they're next to fucking dinosaur bones.

Having your 'beliefs' is fine. But why you don't expect people to call you out on them when they're demonstrably bullshit is far beyond my comprehension.

Now don't go having a heart attack for Christ sake, its just a belief, no big drama. I respect your belief, but I don't respect your asshole attitude, and I wont take it from anyone here

Yes it is a big drama, it's a massive issue. The fate of potentially millions of people rest on whether folks submit to evidence or ignorance.

We've been over this a million times and your retarded ass refuses to get it so I don't see the point in going over evidence based medicine and concepts like herd immunity to you again.

But needless to say; I don't respect your beliefs. Your beliefs are fucking ridiculous and contribute to the de facto murder of people from perfectly preventable and often eradicable diseases.

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(August 4, 2014 at 3:35 am)Blackout Wrote: I never replied to this thread because the topic doesn't interest me very much and here in europe there aren't many parents refusing to vaccinate their kids, but did I just noticed someone is supporting that vaccination is an evil plot?

Actually there are lots of parents who aren't vaccinating their children.

Only a couple of years ago there was a Measles outbreak in Wales because back in the late 90's early naughties their parents refused to give their children the MMR jab.

If my memory is correct at least one child died and several hundred were made ill.

(August 4, 2014 at 3:55 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 3:46 am)Blackout Wrote: I am sorry for the negative effects a vaccine had on you, but that doesn't justify parents becoming anti-vaccination, considering the benefits vaccines bring. I am happy I was always vaccinated and it prevented me from getting lots of illnesses. I had epileptic seizures until I was 18, but the cause weren't vaccines.

In fact, I recently got my tetanus shot

Well all I know is that just after my vaccination I started to have fits and horrible migraines, my mum told me that I changed from who I was after the vaccination, I also have schizophrenia.

But thanks for you kind reply, you are one in a million on this forum.

I wasn't in any way saying I agree with your vision, merely saying accidents or inefficiencies can happen to everyone. People drive and have accidents, but we don't make driving illegal or stop driving at all because of it, do we? And safe driving isn't as important as universal basic healthcare

(August 4, 2014 at 5:27 am)Blackout Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 3:55 am)psychoslice Wrote: Well all I know is that just after my vaccination I started to have fits and horrible migraines, my mum told me that I changed from who I was after the vaccination, I also have schizophrenia.

But thanks for you kind reply, you are one in a million on this forum.

I wasn't in any way saying I agree with your vision, merely saying accidents or inefficiencies can happen to everyone. People drive and have accidents, but we don't make driving illegal or stop driving at all because of it, do we? And safe driving isn't as important as universal basic healthcare

Yes I realized that, but you weren't a jerk in the way of sharing what you said, those who throw shit at me will have shit thrown back at them, so please don't let this forum make an asshole out of you.