(August 8, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(August 8, 2014 at 4:35 pm)ShaMan Wrote: How about a third alternative, like he gets a job?

I gave you a list of possible reasons why such a person might not have a job.

What do you mean by "Such a person"? Do you know this man?

(August 8, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Maybe one day you, or someone close to you, will fall on extended hard times. You will then be able to tell us how easy it was for you to recover.

No, you do not know the man who was begging, and neither do you know me. I've personally faced more hardship than you might imagine. Your presumptions are entirely fallacious.

My OP was a rant about how money that is supposedly going to help homeless families is actually going to church employees. It's a scam.

So a church employee can't be homeless?

A few years ago there was a story in the LATimes about how airline employees have to live in campers in the airport parking lot because they don't make enough money to afford housing in LA.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/20/...x-colony20

(August 8, 2014 at 7:09 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Your presumptions are entirely fallacious.

(August 8, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: So a church employee can't be homeless?

See above.

I sincerely hope you're a troll and don't actually 'debate' in this manner. If so, then this debate is finished at the end of this sentence.

@ShaMan

I do agree with the principle that has you indignant. Ideally, 100% of charitable contributions should go to the needy (at least 80%). It burns me to learn how much get's eaten up in 'administrative costs.' That's why it's important to research a charity you are interested in donating to.

Out of curiosity a few questions, perhaps rhetorical.
Would you be as mad if the guy collected $20 for charity in a six hour shift (still being paid $10 an hour)?
What about if he collected $5,000 an hour?
What if the guy was an atheist?
If he collects $80 in a shift, makes $60, and gives $20 to the homeless, isn't that $20 more than a lot of people (possibly including you) give?

(August 8, 2014 at 3:30 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Why post this in the Christianity section? Was the fellow a representative of a Christian charity?

Does it really matter? One can not be apart of the "oppressed majority" if they are not persecuted in some sense, way or fashion for what they believe or are not affiliated with.

(August 8, 2014 at 7:48 pm)ShaMan Wrote:

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(August 8, 2014 at 7:09 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Your presumptions are entirely fallacious.

(August 8, 2014 at 7:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: So a church employee can't be homeless?

See above.

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I sincerely hope you're a troll and don't actually 'debate' in this manner. If so, then this debate is finished at the end of this sentence.

I accept your defeat.

(August 8, 2014 at 11:14 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: @ShaMan

Would you be as mad if the guy collected $20 for charity in a six hour shift (still being paid $10 an hour)?
Perhaps even more so.
What about if he collected $5,000 an hour?
That'd be wonderful!
What if the guy was an atheist?
Regarding what specifically?
If he collects $80 in a shift, makes $60, and gives $20 to the homeless, isn't that $20 more than a lot of people (possibly including you) give?
I 'give' far more to the homeless issue by way of my time and care for the community. My 'donations' cannot be stolen away for administrative costs, and I see first hand the positive impact my contributions bring.

(All BOLD mine in response)