(August 14, 2014 at 9:43 am)CristW Wrote: My best guess is this scenario for the NAZIS: Some Nazis(and their UFO fleets) lived on but were probably protected by either an ET civilization and/or the U.S. government together. Or probably left earth for another planet with their UFO fleet.

You should make that into a movie!

(August 14, 2014 at 9:40 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(August 14, 2014 at 9:39 am)CristW Wrote: What game is this?

A game where Nazis have death robots and flying saucers and cyborgs.

Well, first time I have heard of this game. You never know it could be that this could be real? Or possibly coincidence?

Do I think life exists elsewhere in the universe? Yes. Do I think it then follows that all the rest follows? No. If ETs exist then that is all it would mean, that they exist. If they don't, then they don't. Their existence has no bearing on any other claim.

Carl Sagan on the odds of extraterrestrial life. Not sure I agree with some of his assumptions, but at least it's a structured way of thinking.

If there were no aliens, then what are the Mexicans? hock:

(August 14, 2014 at 9:47 am)Natachan Wrote: Do I think life exists elsewhere in the universe? Yes. Do I think it then follows that all the rest follows? No. If ETs exist then that is all it would mean, that they exist. If they don't, then they don't. Their existence has no bearing on any other claim.

Got it. Of course, their existence would not prove if there is a creator or there is no creator. Nevertheless, there existence WILL disprove earthly "religions" or the worship of a human being as the creator. Again, as I understood your posting, The existence of ETs has no direct correlation to the existence of a (neutral) creator. In other words, there could be (neutral) creator with ETs or no creator with ETs.

Existence of aliens would no more disprove the Alice of wonderland then it would disprove the creator of the bible. Mocking Steven Jay Gould's taxonomical framework, they belong to different non-overlapping majesterium. Aliens belong to the majesterium of potentially demonstrable hypothesis. Creator belong to the majesterium of of the make belief that cares not a wit for demonstrability.

(August 14, 2014 at 9:52 am)Michael Wrote: Carl Sagan on the odds of extraterrestrial life. Not sure I agree with some of his assumptions, but at least it's a structured way of thinking.

Wait, hold on, are you using the Drake Equation to refute my post? Really? My argument and presentation is not "structured"? Really? The Drake Equation is actually presenting the idea that there are abundant ETs in the universe. The Drake Equation would be expressing that most ETs would be limited to communicate with other ET civilizations. The darkest part about the Drake Equation, not expressed in the video, is the possibility that some ET civilizations would colonize and possibly enslave/utilize the less technologically developed species on other planets while mining and stealing resources. There are many ETs trapped on their planets because they have not developed space travel yet and may not even developed their own belief systems yet. Many ETs (of the same race/species) are probably, using the Drake Equation of course, planning to attack each other with weapons on the same planet they are living on. Or having interplanetary warfare in the same star system. This is what the Drake equation I expressing the brute reality of existence and survival. Unless, we could stipulate that most ET civilization which have interstellar travel are atheist(because they have grown out of the silly notion of a supernatural being) or some may have attained interstellar travel and still believing in some supernatural entity.

I don't know what the fuck kind of drugs OP is on but I want some.

As for the question, yeah, there can only be one answer. The question is basically "If ET's are real, then ET's are real".

Heh. ET created religion to reduce human population. Way to go ET!