(August 19, 2014 at 2:30 pm)revivin Wrote: You could have 27 books detailing multiple eyewitness testimony but you don't have that for your Orks.

Many eye witnesses have seen what the Orks have done. Frodo for one.

They've even made movies about it.

(August 19, 2014 at 2:38 pm)revivin Wrote: The Bible does a better job because the 27 books of the NT are closer to their events than for any other text in history. And since you can't find what could be better proof than these 27 books, you acknowledge God provided the best proof in these 27 books.

I did provide the better proofs, therefore you must accept that god does not exist.

(August 19, 2014 at 2:38 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:

(August 19, 2014 at 2:30 pm)revivin Wrote: You could have 27 books detailing multiple eyewitness testimony but you don't have that for your Orks.

Many eye witnesses have seen what the Orks have done. Frodo for one.

They've even made movies about it.

I am glad you can't provide evidence like we have of the 27 books of the NT so the Bible holds the highest of standards and you can't think of better evidence.

(August 19, 2014 at 2:30 pm)revivin Wrote: You could have 27 books detailing multiple eyewitness testimony but you don't have that for your Orks.

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(August 19, 2014 at 2:29 pm)Tonus Wrote: [quote='revivin' pid='733378' dateline='1408472591']
The originals.

Actually we don't have the originals for anyone in antiquity so you can't ask for a higher standard than what history already provides.

But the 27 books of the NT are the closest to their events than for anyone in antiquity.

Are you saying the books of the NT are the documents that were written closest to the time of Jesus? Most estimates put the earliest written NT book at around 50CE, so by your logic there are no historical documents written between 20BCE and 50CE.

Also, the Quran is said to be written in the most perfect arabic known to man - I'd say those are pretty high standards. Does that make it true? No.

(August 19, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Tobie Wrote: Are you saying the books of the NT are the documents that were written closest to the time of Jesus? Most estimates put the earliest written NT book at around 50CE, so by your logic there are no historical documents written between 20BCE and 50CE.

Why would you think the NT was written a decade or two later?

And yes, we have no sources as close to their events as we do for the NT events.

(August 19, 2014 at 2:47 pm)revivin Wrote:

(August 19, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Tobie Wrote: Are you saying the books of the NT are the documents that were written closest to the time of Jesus? Most estimates put the earliest written NT book at around 50CE, so by your logic there are no historical documents written between 20BCE and 50CE.

Why would you think the NT was written a decade or two later?

And yes, we have no sources as close to their events as we do for the NT events.

Dude..take 10 minutes on Google to look up the history of the Bible..

Again, we have no sources closer to their events than we do for the Bible's events.

(August 19, 2014 at 2:40 pm)revivin Wrote: I am glad you can't provide evidence like we have of the 27 books of the NT so the Bible holds the highest of standards and you can't think of better evidence.

The Books of Tolkien and the movies made there of are of an equivalent level of evidence as to what you are presenting.

(August 19, 2014 at 2:50 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: The Books of Tolkien and the movies made there of are of an equivalent level of evidence as to what you are presenting.

Tokien admits his fictional writings, but there is no air of such in the 27 books of the NT.

Quote:Can you think of what would be better evidence than what we have in the 27 books of the NT?

Quote:The Bible is filled with discrepancies, many of them irreconcilable
contradictions. Moses did not write the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament) and Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John did not write the Gospels. There are other books that did not make it into the Bible that at one time or another were considered canonical—other Gospels, for example, allegedly written by Jesus’ followers Peter, Thomas, and Mary. The Exodus probably did not happen as described in the Old Testament. The conquest of the 6 j e s u s , i n t e r r u p t e d
Promised Land is probably based on legend. The Gospels are at odds
on numerous points and contain nonhistorical material. It is hard
to know whether Moses ever existed and what, exactly, the historical
Jesus taught. The historical narratives of the Old Testament are
filled with legendary fabrications and the book of Acts in the New
Testament contains historically unreliable information about the
life and teachings of Paul. Many of the books of the New Testament
are pseudonymous—written not by the apostles but by later writers
claiming to be apostles.

--Bart Ehrman - Jesus Interrupted Pgs 5 and 6.

You really need to learn some stuff. Right now, you are making a fool of yourself.