http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-te...es-n202836

If anything pisses me off more than naked assertions made with no evidence, the idea that cussing and blasphemy can be put in the same category as violence like that of Isis, or the government oppression of North Korea.

If you want to know what oppression is, go move to North Korea where you are not allowed to offend the state. Go to Iraq and see if you can even be polite to Isis in telling them why they are wrong.

I really get tired of well intended people thinking forced politeness and politically correctness is a good tactic to maintain civility.

If the worst any human has to worry about is being offended, the world would be a much more peaceful place.

ISIS is like a part of mythological story.
I've never imagined such savages

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And should their airports be destroyed?

(September 14, 2014 at 7:22 am)DramaQueen Wrote: ISIS is like a part of mythological story.
I've never imagined such savages

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And should their airports be destroyed?

Our species has always displayed this level of barbarity to some degree. It is an unfortunate part of our evolution.

The Dark ages, Genghis Khan, Caligula, Nazi Germany. Even in the orient if you look at the history of conflict between China and Japan, in their past centuries, the captured in war and even women were abused on both sides.

Humans really need to stop putting labels of race, blood, nationality, religion and political ideology as a priority. This sicko who did this truly believes he is justified. It is a result of human's flawed perceptions and is the source of human suffering.

Something occurred to me. Do you think ISIS is really that stupid to continue to brutally execute innocent prisoners despite it's obvious effect on the US and Britain's public resolve to militarily squash them?
Suspiciously they are doing the exact thing needed to restart a middle east war with the US and Britain.
Anything less and the West's war fatigue would ignore it. Isn't that a bit convenient?

I'm not a conspiracist, but I can't see a lucid ISIS strategy for this.

(September 14, 2014 at 7:22 am)DramaQueen Wrote: ISIS is like a part of mythological story.
I've never imagined such savages

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And should their airports be destroyed?

Get some perspective. The savagery of ISIS is infinitesimal next to those of many others during the last 50 years. Look at pol pot if Cambodia, the Hutu Tutsi genocide of Rwanda. Just because ISIS taunted the west by killing 3 western hostages (that they might have killed a few thousand locals is barely worth mentioning) they suddenly became demons of mythical proportions. Pol pot killed 2.5 million Cambodians in a year with clubs, and shutdown or destroyed almost all of the nations infrastructure, and depopulated the cities, and forces the entire population to live in concentration camp like collective farms. The Hutus, sometimes aided by local catholic clergy that the popes had declined to excommunicate, killed a million Tutsis with axes and hatchets in 2 months.

Why did hitler hate the jews ??? He should've hated the muslims and killed all of them ....

(September 14, 2014 at 9:41 am)Brakeman Wrote: Something occurred to me. Do you think ISIS is really that stupid to continue to brutally execute innocent prisoners despite it's obvious effect on the US and Britain's public resolve to militarily squash them?
Suspiciously they are doing the exact thing needed to restart a middle east war with the US and Britain.
Anything less and the West's war fatigue would ignore it. Isn't that a bit convenient?

I'm not a conspiracist, but I can't see a lucid ISIS strategy for this.

Of course we are being provoked. But this isn't the same reaction that Bush fell for reacting to Bin Laden.

No the west should not react to give them what they want, but we also cannot be isolationists either. I think Obama is far more thoughtful and measured.

I think America's centuries of long term policy are the bigger picture than one moment of time or one president.

(September 14, 2014 at 10:34 am)Brian37 Wrote: Of course we are being provoked.

Why would ISIS provoke us into annihilating them with a huge "desert storm" reaction when they are already wincing from tiny strikes to protect the Kurds?

I can't see it.

I can see why the western industrial military complex would want new orders though.

(September 14, 2014 at 10:53 am)Brakeman Wrote:

(September 14, 2014 at 10:34 am)Brian37 Wrote: Of course we are being provoked.

Why would ISIS provoke us into annihilating them with a huge "desert storm" reaction when they are already wincing from tiny strikes to protect the Kurds?

I can't see it.

I can see why the western industrial military complex would want new orders though.

Ah there is the crux of most of human conflict right there. Climate causes conditions to lead to things like this. I don't talk in terms of conspiracy as much as I do climate.

I think the more people learn that friend and foe alike in every government invest in banks, oil and weapons, the quicker humanity can focus on that very dangerous monopoly instead of being focused on ideology.

But right now in the moment, to react to dicks murdering people is also understandable.

(September 14, 2014 at 10:53 am)Brakeman Wrote:

(September 14, 2014 at 10:34 am)Brian37 Wrote: Of course we are being provoked.

Why would ISIS provoke us into annihilating them with a huge "desert storm" reaction when they are already wincing from tiny strikes to protect the Kurds?

I can't see it.

I can see why the western industrial military complex would want new orders though.

Because we can't annihilate a broad based insurgency that does not rely on industrial infrastructure with a desert storm. We will try, in the process kill a lot of innocent people, remind a lot of local people the colossal chasms between the values we claim to espouse, cynical interpretations of our real motives, and the values the local people feel comfortable with.

In the end, we would have reinforced things that made the insurgence strong before we went in and broke the few remaining dishes, only to realize the thing we broke were just tools and ornaments for the insurgency, and not vital to it.

Face it. The US military has never gotten out of the WWII mind set. We are only capable of visualizing how an industrialized peer power, with apparatus of a modern state, can be brought to the point were it can no longer wage industrialized technological war with us. We have not the mind set in our civilian population in general, in our civilian leadership, and in our military, to wage a successful counterinsurgency war.

To do so we need to have a conscript army in order to occupy with enough soldiers to have broad, visible and constant presence. We need to think soldiers are really cannon fodders for long term goal of the state, and be willy to absorb a substantial monthly casualty rate for many years or decades, and not give up. We need to understand if there isn't a steady stream co casualties for much of the war, it more likely mean we aren't doing the right things rather than we have done the right things well. We need to professionally train a large body of civilian and military leaders in real, not cliff notes or fox sound bite version, of local history and ethnic anthropology. We then need to listen to them.