I stumbled onto an interesting thought while thinking about the miracles of the bible and how a miracle is really just any favorable occurrence that violates the natural laws of physics. so far as we know it isn't possible to break the laws of physics (if such an occurrence could be repeated consistently then it wouldn't be breaking physics). so how was Jesus able to walk on water? any reputable physicist could tell you that he either must have been less dense than water or he didn't apply enough force to break the surface tension. Men aren't flat but they are more dense than freshwater. Jesus wasn't really a man or somebody wasn't telling the truth. maybe godmen float, i'm no expert on this though.

edit: according to the bible, faith in Jesus has been observed to reduce your density.

I see all the so called miracles as metaphors, walking on the water is walking in the new life of Christ, its when we realize our true identity as being one with the source or God, we now walk on the water, not sinking below as the story of Peter. When Jesus walked on the water, when the water was in chaos, Peter who was in the water with Jesus, was afraid and began to sink, he was sinking because he took his eye's of Jesus or the Christ within. When we are one in God we also walk upon the waters, when we take our eye's of our true self we also sink below the chaos of the world.

ok, i see the metaphor. but it's still more fun to take it literally. I wonder how many Christians today truly believe that they simply lack the intensity of faith required to literally move mountains.

(October 1, 2014 at 1:53 am)backslider Wrote: ok, i see the metaphor. but it's still more fun to take it literally. I wonder how many Christians today truly believe that they simply lack the intensity of faith required to literally move mountains.

We are all like children who never really grow up, and that is why we like to believe in such things, it gives us hope, something to cling to throughout our life. Most who are happy with their life don't need to join such religions with their childish stories.

(October 1, 2014 at 1:28 am)backslider Wrote: edit: according to the bible, faith in Jesus has been observed to reduce your density.

According to me, faith in Jesus has been observed to increase density and thickness.

A mirical is acheaving an end through God either through or around the laws of nature, that an indivisual on his own would not be able to do.

Christ didn't have to literally be less boyany than water for a mirical to have happened. a more conventional means could have been employed to the same effect, and it would not be anyless miraculous

(October 1, 2014 at 1:28 am)backslider Wrote: I stumbled onto an interesting thought while thinking about the miracles of the bible and how a miracle is really just any favorable occurrence that violates the natural laws of physics. so far as we know it isn't possible to break the laws of physics (if such an occurrence could be repeated consistently then it wouldn't be breaking physics). so how was Jesus able to walk on water? any reputable physicist could tell you that he either must have been less dense than water or he didn't apply enough force to break the surface tension. Men aren't flat but they are more dense than freshwater. Jesus wasn't really a man or somebody wasn't telling the truth. maybe godmen float, i'm no expert on this though.

edit: according to the bible, faith in Jesus has been observed to reduce your density.

The simple would be, he is God, and therefore is not bound by laws of physics.
We also forget that Peter also walked on water.

A more scientific answer would be this.
An atom is 99% empty space, this means that there is no such thing as a solid. what stops you from being able to pass through object are the electric Fields produced by the atoms which repel each other. So in other words, you don't sit on a chair, you levitate over a chair.

I believe there is also an instance where Jesus walked through a wall, that being said, If you were somehow able to control the electric fields of your body at the atomic level then I imagine you'd be able to do similar things.

I'm in no way saying that this is What Jesus did, just saying we live in a world that is not as real as we perceive it to be.

Density (p)= m/(volume•faith)

Ah yes, the "what we understand about the governing laws of the universe doesn't apply to God because God is God" canard. What a worthless explanation, it doesn't explain anything.

(October 1, 2014 at 9:11 am)Drich Wrote: A mirical is acheaving an end through God either through or around the laws of nature, that an indivisual on his own would not be able to do.

Christ didn't have to literally be less boyany than water for a mirical to have happened. a more conventional means could have been employed to the same effect, and it would not be anyless miraculous

1 - The christ cannot be proven to be anything MORE than a MYTH
2 - Since no gods are proven to exist - your claim about a miracle is nonsense as well.

No one can prove that they have achieved an end through a god - or an end around the laws of nature.

Example - no matter how much a person prays - that person will die.
No matter how hard a group prays - they have NEVER achieved the regrowth of a lost limb of a human - even though a salamander can do it.

The christ did not have to be buoyant - fictional characters can do anything the minds of their human creators can bake up - except actually provably exist. Obviously James Bond and Harry Potter achieved things that also cannot actually happen in real life - and are just as real as the christ - ie - not at all.