(October 9, 2014 at 11:36 am)DramaQueen Wrote: Honour killings
Kamikaze
Sappuku
The middle east
Machismo
Wars

Yeah defending "honour" is wonderful

Different circumstances. Killing for religion is just ignorance and a dull and dimwitted view of the world. I have no respect for those kinds of people. This is american society we are talking about. Not shit holes like the middle east. As for sappuku, that's a personal choice that doesn't cause conflict. War is where you get other people to fight for your cause. Fight war, not wars. I have no respect for any soldier for their status as a soldier. It just shows you're ready to kill on command which is pathetic. Honor killings involve people who never started a conflict in the first place. What the columbine shooters did arose out of conflict and injustice. They weren't following orders, they disobeyed society's orders to not harm someone else. People who rightfully deserve to be harmed got what they deserve. That is the highest level of morality.

This debate shouldn't be in this thread.

(October 9, 2014 at 8:24 am)Tonus Wrote:

(October 9, 2014 at 7:30 am)Losty Wrote: Why are you so angry? Take a deep breath and try not to be so hostile. Then you will get better responses here and at school. Hugs will make it better.

Wrong thread, Losty. This is the thread where you grind my gears and make me moan about it.

Mmmhmmm

(October 9, 2014 at 11:31 am)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: Yeah, they got back at everyone. They made a statement, that if you fuck with someone, something will happen. I'm sure the ones who disrespected them didn't go around and joke about them after they did what they did.

I doubt that they respected them, either. And anyone who did respect them, lost any respect for them. Not that it mattered to them, seeing as they were now dead.

Dealing with bullies by going nuclear on everyone and then killing yourself seems like an awful solution to the problem. Especially when there were a number of simpler solutions at hand, each of which could have worked and none of which would have ended with them or anyone else dead. They could have "fired back" verbally, or even with their fists: most bullies will quickly stand down from a challenge. Doing this would've given them the grudging respect of others and a great deal of self-respect.

If they saw the world as being a savage, dog-eat-dog kind of place, then all they did was prove that they weren't tough enough to hang with society. If everyone is a selfish, me-first, fuck-everyone-else kind of person, then it seems that the Columbine shooters' primary achievement was ducking out from the race shortly after it started. No one respects a quitter.

(October 9, 2014 at 12:01 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(October 9, 2014 at 11:31 am)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: Yeah, they got back at everyone. They made a statement, that if you fuck with someone, something will happen. I'm sure the ones who disrespected them didn't go around and joke about them after they did what they did.

I doubt that they respected them, either. And anyone who did respect them, lost any respect for them. Not that it mattered to them, seeing as they were now dead.

Dealing with bullies by going nuclear on everyone and then killing yourself seems like an awful solution to the problem. Especially when there were a number of simpler solutions at hand, each of which could have worked and none of which would have ended with them or anyone else dead. They could have "fired back" verbally, or even with their fists: most bullies will quickly stand down from a challenge. Doing this would've given them the grudging respect of others and a great deal of self-respect.

If they saw the world as being a savage, dog-eat-dog kind of place, then all they did was prove that they weren't tough enough to hang with society. If everyone is a selfish, me-first, fuck-everyone-else kind of person, then it seems that the Columbine shooters' primary achievement was ducking out from the race shortly after it started. No one respects a quitter.

Disrespecting someone who "quits" is despicable. If someone has the guts to end their own life, then as far as I'm concerned that is validation of their struggle. They made a final solution which I wish no one would make. It saddens me to see someone die, but when a person kill their self and they are disrespected, then - words can't even describe - how lowly a person they are. All the people who I have met in my life who have killed their self, I will always have the deepest respect for.

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It disgusts me how respect works like currency in this world.

What, in that you have to earn it?

They killed innocent people

(October 9, 2014 at 12:07 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: What, in that you have to earn it?

People act like you have to please others in order to get respect, or follow the law, or obey, or conform to what everyone else does. I don't see respect as something that is earned. I judge my respect of a person based off of my evaluation of their actions itself, and not the merit of the action. The boldness, the character, the style, the intelligence. People like Charles Manson have always been people who I have admired. They defied conventional morality. They were intelligent and in my eyes, intelligence and acting on your heart is nobel.

Ah, so you're surprised when you don't get respect for valuing things that others find abhorrent.

Gotcha.

(October 9, 2014 at 12:10 pm)DramaQueen Wrote: They killed innocent people

It was a sad loss, but still a nobel effort on the part of the shooters. They knew what they were doing. They didn't do it because they though their imaginary god told them to, they weren't ordered by an invisible governmental figure, they weren't following a law which tells you not to kill, they weren't obeying anyone. Not that the people who died don't deserve respect, because they died for no reason. However, the victims aren't only the ones who got shot, the victims were the shooters themselves. They were bullied and tormented. They deserve as much respect as anyone.