Assault and Battery. It's not a prank, and it isn't funny.

(October 15, 2014 at 1:13 am)Zidneya Wrote: What's the point of reaching maturity if you can't even relate to a child when they make a mistake?

That's not a "mistake." To see why, just imagine: what would we call it if an adult forcibly stripped a woman in a public place?

We'd call it sexual assault.

Now, when a teenager steals something, we call it theft. When a teenager attacks someone, we call it assault. When a teenager kills someone, we call it murder. All of those things a teenager can be charged for. Why is it different when a teenager commits what we would call indecent assault if an adult did it?

(October 15, 2014 at 1:30 am)Esquilax Wrote: Why is it different when a teenager commits what we would call indecent assault if an adult did it?

Because one is a teenager and the other an adult.

Adolescents are not monsters. They are just people trying to learn how to make it among the adults in the world, who are probably not so sure themselves.
Virginia Satir

(October 15, 2014 at 1:36 am)Zidneya Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 1:30 am)Esquilax Wrote: Why is it different when a teenager commits what we would call indecent assault if an adult did it?

Because one is a teenager and the other an adult.

So what?

(October 15, 2014 at 1:14 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Yeah assault. Not to mention if the woman has any kind of spirit and self respect she should hit you.

Don't say that, I understand the sentiment, but it's too close to victim blaming.

(October 15, 2014 at 1:41 am)Losty Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 1:36 am)Zidneya Wrote: Because one is a teenager and the other an adult.

So what?

What you never make a mistake or a prank in your youth?

Part of being young is making mistakes.
Nikki Reed

I am more tolerable to teens than to adults.

I think every teenager goes through their anger. People who are like, 'No, I had a perfect adolescence,' I never made a mistake, I never committed a prank, makes me wonder how that is possible.
Shailene Woodley

(October 15, 2014 at 1:36 am)Zidneya Wrote: Because one is a teenager and the other an adult.

Adolescents are not monsters. They are just people trying to learn how to make it among the adults in the world, who are probably not so sure themselves.
Virginia Satir

Like Losty said, so what? Somehow, they're supposed to know theft is wrong, and killing is wrong, and violence is wrong, but we're just supposed to give them a pass on a sex crime?

This is part of the problem, this is exactly the reason why young people think it's okay to do this kind of thing, because nobody teaches them that it's wrong, and people consistently downplay the seriousness of it. But if you think that a teenager isn't going to take it to heart when they forcibly strip a woman on the street and the authority figures treat it as no big deal, if you think that's not going to be a lesson for them that intensifies, then you are crazy. Like you say, teens are still learning, so what do you think it teaches them about women and sexual consent if the example you lead by is "you can get away with inappropriately touching women so long as you frame your violation of them in terms of a fun prank." ?

(October 15, 2014 at 1:56 am)Esquilax Wrote: Like Losty said, so what? Somehow, they're supposed to know theft is wrong, and killing is wrong, and violence is wrong, but we're just supposed to give them a pass on a sex crime?

No, were supposed to be more indulgent when they commit a crime. To try to help them, and guide them(and I don't mean by treats or law enforcing).

Quote:DEAN
So… [clears throat] Gary.
GARY
I know – my bad.
DEAN
"My bad"? Kid, "my bad" ain't gonna cut it. See, if you were of voting age... you'd be dead. Because we would kill you. So either you straighten up and fly right or we will kill you. Are we clear?
Supernatural Season 5, Episode 12

(October 15, 2014 at 1:56 am)Esquilax Wrote: This is part of the problem, this is exactly the reason why young people think it's okay to do this kind of thing, because nobody teaches them that it's wrong, and people consistently downplay the seriousness of it.

Hahaha you think this kids don't know this is wrong? Dude knowing this is wrong is part of the fun. I have breaker some laws(and I'm not only talking about my teenage years) and it makes me feel more alive.
Besides why when I say be more tolerable did you think I say let's overpass the crime at all?

(October 15, 2014 at 1:56 am)Esquilax Wrote: But if you think that a teenager isn't going to take it to heart when they forcibly strip a woman on the street and the authority figures treat it as no big deal, if you think that's not going to be a lesson for them that intensifies, then you are crazy.

Okay to things:

• Of course they are mostly gonna learn their lesson when there authorities catch them up. Most teen even shit their pants when their parents catch them up. That's why I support more indulgence for teens. They are more likely to learn their lesson than a adult.
  
• Yeah I'm crazy. And YOUR ARE LEARING THIS NOW?!!
  
  

However I don't see this subject as a mater of craziness I'm very proud of my morals right now while we are talking about this topic.

(October 15, 2014 at 1:56 am)Esquilax Wrote: Like you say, teens are still learning, so what do you think it teaches them about women and sexual consent if the example you lead by is "you can get away with inappropriately touching women so long as you frame your violation of them in terms of a fun prank." ?

You seem to be under the impression that when I say, be more tolerable means instantly forgive them.

I'm gonna put it in simple words so please spare me the future misunderstanding please:
I am more tolerable to teens pranks and mistakes than to adults. I support trying to help a teen criminal.

Am I the only one in this forum who made pranks and mistakes in his youth and enjoyed them, regret them and therefor learn to show more empathy to teenagers since I know from personal experience how confusing, exiting and those years were?

If it is then be it. Make no mistake people just because I want to hear your opinion in this case that doesn't mean I'm asking you for your approval about my moral judgment towards teenagers.

Nor that I care if you disagree with me.

(October 15, 2014 at 1:45 am)Alex K Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 1:14 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Yeah assault. Not to mention if the woman has any kind of spirit and self respect she should hit you.

Don't say that, I understand the sentiment, but it's too close to victim blaming.

...... How is that victim blaming in the slightest?

I just watched a video of this and.one thing that struck me is how the cowards only target women on their own. If they tried doing it to my girlfriend or daughter, or even if i just saw someone doing it, I'd happily kick their teeth in.