lifes, I have to ask: Have you raped someone and are looking for validation for the act?

Boru

(October 18, 2014 at 7:29 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Losty Wrote: No, one is a crime and the other is several crimes. Both are rape.

I respect your passion in your answer. But I suspect we need to ask women, solely(?), how they feel about a sexual penetration?

Well...I am a woman...so ok ask away

Quote:But more broadly, let's explore this... I figure a women subconsciously (or even consciously) accepts (in very general terms here) one male to be her sexual partner. And the grey area for me is, if the accepted sexual partners forces sex on the women, it is a crime of greed and disrespect. Whereas, if a man who is not assigned to be the sexual partner forces sex, that is a completely different violation of the lady's personal space and everything thereafter...during the sexual act.
For me, they are so very different.
Any women care to comment?

I have been in both circumstances, I find rape from a chosen and accepted sexual partner to be particularly more horrifying than from someone else.

(October 18, 2014 at 7:40 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Yes. I care to comment. Honestly, I don't give a shit what the circumstances are. If there is no consent given, it's fucking rape and should be punished as such. End of.

This is starting to remind me of the sharking thread, where the victim isn't taken into account at all, rather how much the perpetrator can get away with, with as little punishment as possible.

Have you ever been sexually assaulted, OP? I think probably not, or you wouldn't talk about it so flippantly. "Personal space" doesn't even scratch the surface of the violation that occurs during sexual assault.

Again with respect, I am on a discussion forum, attempting to have a debate, and pushing boundaries. Societies needs to test certain limits, and case law plays a big part in forming our society.
I am not attacking you personally. And swearing doesn't really add weight to any argument.

And yes, I'm male, and luckily enough, have never been attacked sexually or otherwise.

And I want to hear how it feels for women, hence why I asked, So please don't get bullish towards me, there's no need in this context.

Please read the whole thread if you think I''ve said something wrong.

For me, the personal space does have context, because if your boyfriend tried to kiss you with garlic breath and you didn't want him to, is that not different from a man on the train suddenly trying to kiss you?

(October 18, 2014 at 7:47 pm)Losty Wrote: I find rape from a chosen and accepted sexual partner to be particularly more horrifying than from someone else.

^This--

Just as being battered by someone you live with is more frightening than being battered by someone on the street.

"And I want to hear how it feels for women, hence why I asked"
Why do you want to know how it feels? It feels awful, isn't that good enough?

(October 18, 2014 at 7:47 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:29 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I respect your passion in your answer. But I suspect we need to ask women, solely(?), how they feel about a sexual penetration?

Well...I am a woman...so ok ask away

Quote:But more broadly, let's explore this... I figure a women subconsciously (or even consciously) accepts (in very general terms here) one male to be her sexual partner. And the grey area for me is, if the accepted sexual partners forces sex on the women, it is a crime of greed and disrespect. Whereas, if a man who is not assigned to be the sexual partner forces sex, that is a completely different violation of the lady's personal space and everything thereafter...during the sexual act.
For me, they are so very different.
Any women care to comment?

I have been in both circumstances, I find rape from a chosen and accepted sexual partner to be particularly more horrifying than from someone else.

Apologies for my assumption.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience.... but appreciate your comment.. made me check my thought process...

You keep getting told the boundary and then keep on overstepping it lifesagift. That is... you don't seem to be getting it.

(October 18, 2014 at 7:52 pm)Losty Wrote: Why do you want to know how it feels? It feels awful, isn't that good enough?

I don't want a row with an angry person... I want to discuss, and understand. So no, it's not good enough.

I'm not committing the crime, I want to form a realistic opinion of a heinous crime...

The only thing I can say to point you in the right direction is the about the word "betrayal" and then start forming your thoughts all over again.

(October 18, 2014 at 7:51 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:47 pm)Losty Wrote: I find rape from a chosen and accepted sexual partner to be particularly more horrifying than from someone else.

^This--

Just as being battered by someone you live with is more frightening than being battered by someone on the street.

Incredibly illuminating comment... thank-you!

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(October 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You keep getting told the boundary and then keep on overstepping it lifesagift. That is... you don't seem to be getting it.

I don't accept that, sorry!