(November 2, 2014 at 5:39 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

Quote:Every cause should have a cause. The first cause is logically impossible.

Quote:So your god is impossible, because he create the universe from nothing.

Quote:1 Theists are right. Everything can't come from nothing
2 Atheists are right. God can't come from nothing.
Since there are no other options that means that Universe can't exist. But it exists. Therefore logic is delusion.

Universe is logically impossible

Repeating the samething doesn't make it right.

(November 2, 2014 at 5:39 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

Quote:Every cause should have a cause. The first cause is logically impossible.

Quote:So your god is impossible, because he create the universe from nothing.

Quote:1 Theists are right. Everything can't come from nothing
2 Atheists are right. God can't come from nothing.
Since there are no other options that means that Universe can't exist. But it exists. Therefore logic is delusion.

Universe is logically impossible

Logical arguments only produce real world truths if the premises on which they rest are sound. If you prove the universe is impossible, than there's something wrong with your premise.

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(November 2, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Surgenator Wrote: I'll buy a coke if you are near sacramento.

Sure. I'll buy you one if you visit the Willamette Valley.

(November 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 5:39 pm)dimaniac Wrote: Universe is logically impossible

Logical arguments only produce real world truths if the premises on which they rest are sound. If you prove the universe is impossible, than there's something wrong with your premise.

Or with logic

(November 2, 2014 at 5:39 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

Quote:Every cause should have a cause. The first cause is logically impossible.

Quote:So your god is impossible, because he create the universe from nothing.

Quote:1 Theists are right. Everything can't come from nothing
2 Atheists are right. God can't come from nothing.
Since there are no other options that means that Universe can't exist. But it exists. Therefore logic is delusion.

Universe is logically impossible

Fallacy of proof by assertion.

(November 2, 2014 at 1:16 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Lets take away all of the fluff and feathers for a minute. Let's take away all of the technical babble, all of the rhetoric for just a second.

I can't speak for every religion, but I am a Christian theist. Now what does that imply? Well, that would mean that I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of mankind, and that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

That is basically my belief in a nut shell. Now, if you are an atheist, you may find my beliefs laughable, sickening, stupid, etc....which is fine, Christianity isn't for everyone because after all, Jesus said "But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." (Matt 7:14).

But as an atheist, here is what you have to believe...you have to believe that billions of years ago before humanity, dead matter was floating around in space...and for whatever reason, suddenly, this dead matter "came to life". Not only did it come to life, but it came to life and began thinking, talking, and having sex.

Just think about that for a second. This non-living material suddenly CAME TO LIFE. For the life of me, I just can't get myself to believe that, even if I tried. I just don't understand how naturalism/atheism is a more reasonable position than theism.

You have to believe that a process that can't think or see, created consciousness. So consciousness came from a process that can't think??

I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

No one knows the origins of life, you filled the gap of understanding with an ancient myth. Not much difference between you and the people who believe in ancient aliens.

(November 2, 2014 at 5:48 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Logical arguments only produce real world truths if the premises on which they rest are sound. If you prove the universe is impossible, than there's something wrong with your premise.

Or with logic

You proved the universe is impossible using "logic". We observe the universe. Hense, your logic is flawed.

(November 2, 2014 at 5:50 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 5:48 pm)dimaniac Wrote: Or with logic

You proved the universe is impossible using "logic". We observe the universe. Hense, your logic is flawed.

Are you sure that your logic is not flawed? Think critically

(November 2, 2014 at 5:54 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 5:50 pm)Surgenator Wrote: You proved the universe is impossible using "logic". We observe the universe. Hense, your logic is flawed.

Are you sure that your logic is not flawed? Think critically

You failed in that department.

(November 2, 2014 at 5:54 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 5:50 pm)Surgenator Wrote: You proved the universe is impossible using "logic". We observe the universe. Hense, your logic is flawed.

Are you sure that your logic is not flawed? Think critically

Haha.



Reported.

(November 2, 2014 at 3:34 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 3:20 pm)TaraJo Wrote: 3) Distance. If the universe actually is infinite, yes, there is intelligent life out there. But it may very well be so far away that we'll never reach it. And vice versa; we're so far away from them, they'll never reach us.

Type II civilization can easily reach any star in the galaxy.

Type II civilization. Heehee. That made my day.



Great thread.