(November 28, 2014 at 10:49 am)Riketto Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 10:20 am)Irrational Wrote: Except I don't want higher levels of consciousness (whatever that means). I just want to die in peace when the time comes for my life to end (hopefully, after many years of a happy and successful lifetime).

How do you know that you will die in peace?
As your so called successful life come after a lot of hard work at the same time peace of mind come after a lot of hard work.
The thing that you got to understand is that success in the material-physical world is different from success in the mental-spiritual world.
You may be successful in one and fail in the other.
Peace of mind never come by having a success in the material-physical world.

I already have a peace of mind. And I know what it's like to be at peace in a poetic sense. Why are we even discussing this when I'm talking about something else ...

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Quote:A real and honorable God would at the least grant me this basic freedom.

Nobody give you or grant you anything.
You got to earn it.

Just as a slave has to earn his freedom from his oppressive owner?

(November 19, 2014 at 9:09 am)Riketto Wrote: WHAT WOULD YOU THINK OR SAY IF YOU DIE AND FIND OUT THAT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL AND GOD IS THERE?

1) Would you say.........oh, well there was no evidence that you existed that is why i never believe that you exist.
2) I was wrong in not looking at all options.
3) I never thought that by refusing to consider that you exist i could not expect that you manifest in my consciousness.

Option 1.

Depending on which god you're talking about, I'd then have a few additional choice comments to make.

p.s. Option 3 is just gibberish

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(November 19, 2014 at 10:32 am)paulpablo Wrote: ...he also believes... that virgins can be impregnated.

That's not such a bold claim

(November 28, 2014 at 8:55 am)Riketto Wrote: The other day when i catch a train i saw so many people engaged in sending text messages or chatting on the mobile with other people.
My impression was that these people must have a brain not much bigger than a chicken brain.
Why waste so much time in doing things that are not important and are rather stupid.
Why should i be amused?
No wonder that the planet earth is in such a bad state. hock:

Yet there you were, spending your time watching these "chicken brain" people doing their 'unimportant' (to you) things. If they are stupid and mindless, what does that make you?

(November 28, 2014 at 9:42 am)Riketto Wrote:

(November 27, 2014 at 2:13 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Assuming god exist, I'm not expecting god to show the easy way. I expect him to show a correct way. Religions have a LOT of things wrong.

I like it.
This is the correct way to think.
(I plan to kudu you)

You can't just blurt a thing like that out with now warning. Suppose the Surger was walking on a slick surface when he read this? He could have fallen and hurt himself. I think I speak for all of us when I say just how much a judo from you would mean to us.

(November 28, 2014 at 10:49 am)Riketto Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 10:20 am)Irrational Wrote: Except I don't want higher levels of consciousness (whatever that means). I just want to die in peace when the time comes for my life to end (hopefully, after many years of a happy and successful lifetime).

How do you know that you will die in peace?
As your so called successful life come after a lot of hard work at the same time peace of mind come after a lot of hard work.

Your consciousness is disturbed. When you understand this, then you will know why you are wrong. Until then, you will remain where you are.

(November 28, 2014 at 9:42 am)Riketto Wrote: Most of the time when a plane crashed down most of the people die but sometime one or few people survive.
These are not miracles.
It is rather how the karma law works.
If that baby had the right to survive and continue with his life then he had to survive while million of other babies may die.

Why are bringing up karma? I crying baby that was dropped by a nurse has nothing to do with the NDE patient's karma.

Does it make you happy that you can explain everything with karma? The death of baby, the baby was a bad person in his past life. Hiroshima, those people were did something wrong in their current or past life. Genocide, those sudan people were probably murderers in their past lives. Someone slaps you, you deserved it because karma.

Quote:I like it.
This is the correct way to think.
(I plan to kudu you)

You like that religion gets a lot of stuff wrong?

Quote:Not really.
Yoga works for me and for those who practice it seriously.
If yoga wouldn't work than i wouldn't agree with similar philosophy.
Nothing to do with your Geocentrism.

You have made it clear that you don't care if your beliefs are true or not. I do care. That is why I question my beliefs and accept challenges to them.

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Quote:So you believe in NDE because your religion says it's true. Then your religion is also wrong.

I don't follow religions.
And i don't agree with anyone who say this or that unless i personally find out that this or that is working.

Right. Your 'yoga spirituality' is as much of a religion as buddhism. It might not be a popular belief as buddhism, but it does come with positive claims.

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(November 28, 2014 at 12:34 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 9:42 am)Riketto Wrote: I like it.
This is the correct way to think.
(I plan to kudu you)

You can't just blurt a thing like that out with now warning. Suppose the Surger was walking on a slick surface when he read this? He could have fallen and hurt himself. I think I speak for all of us when I say just how much a judo from you would mean to us.

My poor coccyx.

(November 28, 2014 at 11:30 am)Irrational Wrote: Just as a slave has to earn his freedom from his oppressive owner?

When you images of something that image is your slave.
When an hypothetical God create an universe with his imagination that vision is in a way his slave so it is also correct what you say.
But the news are not that bad as they seems.
As soon as you realize that you (hypothetically) come from the mind of the supreme consciousness then you also realize that you are a transformation of God into what you think you are now.
If you use your brains properly you also would realize that the vision can RE-ENTER his mind and you are him.

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(November 28, 2014 at 12:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 8:55 am)Riketto Wrote: The other day when i catch a train i saw so many people engaged in sending text messages or chatting on the mobile with other people.
My impression was that these people must have a brain not much bigger than a chicken brain.
Why waste so much time in doing things that are not important and are rather stupid.
Why should i be amused?
No wonder that the planet earth is in such a bad state. hock:

Yet there you were, spending your time watching these "chicken brain" people doing their 'unimportant' (to you) things. If they are stupid and mindless, what does that make you?

Thanks for your comment Stim.
You know how much i take in deep consideration your comments.
Anyway coming back to your important comment i would say 2 things.
1) Willing or unwilling i am forced to listen the crappy chatting.
2) It make me feel a bit down thinking that so many people have such a chicken brain and this boil down to the fact that many of these people are or will be in a position of command screwing the planet earth further down.

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(November 28, 2014 at 12:34 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 9:42 am)Riketto Wrote: I like it.
This is the correct way to think.
(I plan to kudu you)

You can't just blurt a thing like that out with now warning. Suppose the Surger was walking on a slick surface when he read this? He could have fallen and hurt himself. I think I speak for all of us when I say just how much a judo from you would mean to us.

One of my given kudos is worth thousand of yours.
When i give a kudo this is based on proper analysis.

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(November 28, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Why are bringing up karma?

It make sense if you consider that karma restore the lost balance.
The yin and yang or the positive and negative are here in this universe.
You can't get rid of them or get rid of the negative side.
That is the best way of learning and progress which by the way is also the only way out this physical bondage.

Quote:You like that religion gets a lot of stuff wrong?

I would rather like if they never came at the surface in the first place.

Quote:You have made it clear that you don't care if your beliefs are true or not. I do care. That is why I question my beliefs and accept challenges to them.

Are you say that i am such an idiot that follow something that doesn't make any sense?

Quote:Right. Your 'yoga spirituality' is as much of a religion as buddhism. It might not be a popular belief as buddhism, but it does come with positive claims.

Give me some examples that yoga is a religion.

(November 28, 2014 at 9:42 am)Riketto Wrote: Yoga works for me and for those who practice it seriously.

Ah, yes. The No True Yogi fallacy.

(November 29, 2014 at 5:07 am)Riketto Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 12:34 pm)whateverist Wrote: You can't just blurt a thing like that out with now warning. Suppose the Surger was walking on a slick surface when he read this? He could have fallen and hurt himself. I think I speak for all of us when I say just how much a judo from you would mean to us.

One of my given kudos is worth thousand of yours.
When i give a kudo this is based on proper analysis.

Don't I know it! That is why I always take a screen shot, print it out on glossy paper and pin it up on the refrigerator whenever I manage to obtain one of your precious kudos.

(November 29, 2014 at 5:07 am)Riketto Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Why are bringing up karma?

It make sense if you consider that karma restore the lost balance.

What makes you think there is something that maintains "balance"?

Quote:Are you say that i am such an idiot that follow something that doesn't make any sense?

Never said or implied you were an idiot. I said you prioritize your happiness over truth.

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Quote:Right. Your 'yoga spirituality' is as much of a religion as buddhism. It might not be a popular belief as buddhism, but it does come with positive claims.

Give me some examples that yoga is a religion.

You are talking about supernatural stuff like god, spirits, etc... That is still a religion. It might not be an organized religion, but still a religion.