(November 29, 2014 at 5:37 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I believe God put the tree there as a test. God would have known as he is all-knowning. However Adam and Eve were not all-knowing they didn't know what the outcome was until they took the fruit.

Please elaborate. It's not much of a test if God knows the outcome. Also, why punish them for it?

(November 29, 2014 at 5:37 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I believe God put the tree there as a test. God would have known as he is all-knowning. However Adam and Eve were not all-knowing they didn't know what the outcome was until they took the fruit.

So how is it a test, if the only person who knew it's a test already knew the answer? The purpose of a test is to come to an answer, after all. And why bother with the test? What did Adam and Eve gain from it, since they were the only ones not in the know? To be clear, the knowledge of sin is only needed if sin exists, which it wouldn't if god hadn't created it as part of a test that he already knew the answer to.

The only possible way this "test" would even need to exist is if the test already exists, in the end. Your answer here is totally circular and nonsensical.

(November 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)JaceDeanLove Wrote:

(November 29, 2014 at 5:37 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I believe God put the tree there as a test. God would have known as he is all-knowning. However Adam and Eve were not all-knowing they didn't know what the outcome was until they took the fruit.

Please elaborate. It's not much of a test if God knows the outcome. Also, why punish them for it?

I know that is what I said it was a test for Adam and Eve.

(November 29, 2014 at 12:03 pm)dyresand Wrote: its funny too why didn't god get rid of the tree and the talking snake lizard.

Because that wouldn't serve the purpose of the narrative. Literal reading of Genesis is a relatively recent phenomenon.

(November 29, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Lek Wrote: Why do I need to defend God?

If you don't feel the need to defend God, why are you on an atheist message board?

Boru

(November 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm)C4RM5 Wrote:

(November 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)JaceDeanLove Wrote: Please elaborate. It's not much of a test if God knows the outcome. Also, why punish them for it?

I know that is what I said it was a test for Adam and Eve.

That makes no sense..

(November 29, 2014 at 6:52 pm)JaceDeanLove Wrote:

(November 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I know that is what I said it was a test for Adam and Eve.

That makes no sense..

God knew the outcome but Adam and Eve didn't. It is just like saying an exam in school is pointless because the teacher knows the answers.

(November 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm)C4RM5 Wrote:

(November 29, 2014 at 6:52 pm)JaceDeanLove Wrote: That makes no sense..

God knew the outcome but Adam and Eve didn't. It is just like saying an exam in school is pointless because the teacher knows the answers.

But the very concept that the test deals with would not even exist if the test didn't exist. What it's like is the teacher inventing a subject out of nowhere and then testing his students on this subject, that didn't exist before he wrote the test, and pretending the results of that actually means something.

(November 29, 2014 at 7:01 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: God knew the outcome but Adam and Eve didn't. It is just like saying an exam in school is pointless because the teacher knows the answers.

But the very concept that the test deals with would not even exist if the test didn't exist. What it's like is the teacher inventing a subject out of nowhere and then testing his students on this subject, that didn't exist before he wrote the test, and pretending the results of that actually means something.

Exactly.

(November 29, 2014 at 7:01 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: God knew the outcome but Adam and Eve didn't. It is just like saying an exam in school is pointless because the teacher knows the answers.

But the very concept that the test deals with would not even exist if the test didn't exist. What it's like is the teacher inventing a subject out of nowhere and then testing his students on this subject, that didn't exist before he wrote the test, and pretending the results of that actually means something.

This ^ However, I'm willing to bet he won't reply to you, and if he does, the argument will be nonsensical.