(December 2, 2014 at 6:00 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I wonder if they played this for the Grand Jury?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-...n-killing/

Quote:Audio recording allegedly captures at least 10 shots fired in Michael Brown killing

Probably not. It would fuckup the white wash.

Nothing new here, everyone including the Grand Jury knows Wilson unloaded his gun when he fired upon Brown. If I recall correctly Wilson's gun holds 13 bullets(12 in the clip and 1 in the chamber) and 12 shots were fired.

The audio recording of the shots tells us nothing about if Brown was charging Wilson or if he stopped charging Wilson before he was fatally shot. It is an interesting curiosity but really adds nothing new.

(December 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm)Heywood Wrote: The audio recording of the shots tells us nothing about if Brown was charging Wilson or if he stopped charging Wilson before he was fatally shot. It is an interesting curiosity but really adds nothing new.

Even if he did charge. An unarmed man charging an officer equipped with all kinds of toys emptying his magazine instead of using his taser or pepper spray.

Yeah, made the case. Your's.

(December 2, 2014 at 5:36 am)A Theist Wrote: Perhaps the reason why the police had an arbitrary "end time" set to the protest "after sundown" was because they feared the looters and rioters would return after dark and mingle in with the protestors. That seems far more likely than buying into the racist conspiracy narrative.

Oh, I see. So all protests are subject to the disperse-by-sundown rule? I assume Tea Bagger protests were also met with armored vehicles, snipers and full riot gear with the orders to disperse by a certain time or be treated as rioters?

Quote:BTW, what are your thoughts about Condoleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Allen West, and Dr. Ben Carson?

Why is it that in any discussion of race in America, it's inevitable that someone on the right wing will say some variation on "you know, I have black friends"? Do you actually think this argument works on anyone?

Woodie still thinks the policeman is his friend. He's stuck at a about a 7 year-old mentality.

(December 2, 2014 at 6:30 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm)Heywood Wrote: The audio recording of the shots tells us nothing about if Brown was charging Wilson or if he stopped charging Wilson before he was fatally shot. It is an interesting curiosity but really adds nothing new.

Even if he did charge. An unarmed man charging an officer equipped with all kinds of toys emptying his magazine instead of using his taser or pepper spray.

Yeah, made the case. Your's.

The man charging was armed with his fists. You want to make it sound like Brown was incapable of doing bodily harm to Wilson but this is certainly untrue. Second listen to the recording the grand idiot Minimalist provided. Ask yourself if you were the officer....in the time the shots were fired...could you properly holster your weapon and arm yourself with a baton or mace?

Also ask yourself if you were the officer and Brown who is about 30% larger than you...would Brown who already attempted to confiscate your gun once be able to do so if the baton or the mace were ineffective and you were tackled? If you are the officer are you going to take on that risk in a fight or flight moment? I don't think so.

Wilson's testimony is corroborated by witness testimony. There is no way a reasonable jury finds Wilson guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Wilson may be guilty here...but he simply will not be convicted except by a mob who doesn't care(as evidence by their looting) about the rule of law. No prosecutor with half a brain wants to prosecute this case.

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(December 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 5:36 am)A Theist Wrote: Perhaps the reason why the police had an arbitrary "end time" set to the protest "after sundown" was because they feared the looters and rioters would return after dark and mingle in with the protestors. That seems far more likely than buying into the racist conspiracy narrative.

Oh, I see. So all protests are subject to the disperse-by-sundown rule? I assume Tea Bagger protests were also met with armored vehicles, snipers and full riot gear with the orders to disperse by a certain time or be treated as rioters?

Quote:BTW, what are your thoughts about Condoleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Allen West, and Dr. Ben Carson?

Why is it that in any discussion of race in America, it's inevitable that someone on the right wing will say some variation on "you know, I have black friends"? Do you actually think this argument works on anyone?

when the left claims the right is racist the left reveals themselves to be idiots.

(December 2, 2014 at 6:54 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 6:30 pm)abaris Wrote: Even if he did charge. An unarmed man charging an officer equipped with all kinds of toys emptying his magazine instead of using his taser or pepper spray.

Yeah, made the case. Your's.

The man charging was armed with his fists. You want to make it sound like Brown was incapable of doing bodily harm to Wilson but this is certainly untrue. Second listen to the recording the grand idiot Minimalist provided. Ask yourself if you were the officer....in the time the shots were fired...could you properly holster your weapon and arm yourself with a baton or mace?

Also ask yourself if you were the officer and Brown who is about 30% larger than you...would Brown who already attempted to confiscate your gun once be able to do so if the baton or the mace were ineffective and you were tackled? If you are the officer are you going to take on that risk in a fight or flight moment? I don't think so.

Wilson's testimony is corroborated by witness testimony. There is no way a reasonable jury finds Wilson guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Wilson may be guilty here...but he simply will not be convicted except by a mob who doesn't care(as evidence by their looting) about the rule of law. No prosecutor with half a brain wants to prosecute this case.

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(December 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Oh, I see. So all protests are subject to the disperse-by-sundown rule? I assume Tea Bagger protests were also met with armored vehicles, snipers and full riot gear with the orders to disperse by a certain time or be treated as rioters?

Why is it that in any discussion of race in America, it's inevitable that someone on the right wing will say some variation on "you know, I have black friends"? Do you actually think this argument works on anyone?

when the left claims the right is racist the left reveals themselves to be idiots.

If you choose to believe Darren and the prosecutor and the way he set it up, there is nothing we can do to convince you you are full of shit. There is more than his account.

You are doing the same crap of cherry picking I have seen between liberal and conservative on the issue of religion. The same cherry picking you use to defend your antiquated economics.

From your POV he is innocent. NO SHIT, we are not doubting you believe that. We are doubting your interpretation of the narrative you swallow because it suits your own desires.

1. Neither side dispute that Wilson was sitting down in the car.

NEITHER SIDE.

Now go find me any cop training manual that tells the cop it is a good idea to physically confront a suspect while you are in a seated position at a tactical disadvantage once you know they are going to give you trouble.

I have seen plenty of fights, been in fights, outside this issue. I have seen guys needlessly escalate a situation, have done so myself, and I have seen others step back and create distance, and have done so myself to avoid making things worse. You cannot tell me it is a good game plan to attempt physical contact with someone while you are seated in the car.


I have told you all the stupid crap I did. I have told you that I have seen all sorts of fights where no one ended up dead. I assaulted a cop once myself. I did not end up dead.

No one is trying to turn Brown into a hero. No one is saying you have the right to assault cops. STOP trying to make arguments no one is making.

THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK about your intense feeling of "Wilson didn't do anything wrong".

FINE, for argument's sake lets agree.

Now take that feeling of your desperation of trying to convince everyone how wrongfully judged Wilson has been.

THAT is the issue. What blacks have gone through is the same thing, guilty or innocent. To a much higher rate than Wilson, or most whites.

You talk about law, you talk about title. None of us are arguing those things. We are arguing CONDITIONS.

Quote:when the left claims the right is racist the left reveals themselves to be idiots.

I guess you think you come across as a real humanitarian, Woodie.


Here's a hint. You don't. You're just another racist shitball.

(December 2, 2014 at 6:54 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Oh, I see. So all protests are subject to the disperse-by-sundown rule? I assume Tea Bagger protests were also met with armored vehicles, snipers and full riot gear with the orders to disperse by a certain time or be treated as rioters?

Why is it that in any discussion of race in America, it's inevitable that someone on the right wing will say some variation on "you know, I have black friends"? Do you actually think this argument works on anyone?

when the left claims the right is racist the left reveals themselves to be idiots.

Aside from ad hominems, do you offer any response to either of my questions?

(December 2, 2014 at 7:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Now go find me any cop training manual that tells the cop it is a good idea to physically confront a suspect while you are in a seated position at a tactical disadvantage once you know they are going to give you trouble.

I think when Wilson realised Brown was going to give him trouble, he attempted to get out of his car. And by the way? Do you actually know how cops a trained? Have you read the manual? Honestly, it's the same argument again and again with you: 'physically confront.....bla bla bla.....tactical disadvantage.....bla bla bla.....i'm right because i'm was a delinquint....bla bla bla'

This whole damn case is so filled with bias that it's really hard for me to form an actual opinion on it.