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An Uncommon Reintroduction
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An Uncommon Reintroduction
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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RE: An Uncommon Reintroduction
Thank you very much for sharing your story. It sounds like you had been on a hell of a roller coaster, but you finally found the way out. You make lots of interesting points, and I can see my own views about religion reflected in your experience. Particularly the part about theists "love" being dependent on subscribing to their belief system.
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Welcome aboard, again...you know where the fridge is.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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I'd like to just note that you being an anti-theist is a different position from simply being an atheist - You indirectly claim to transition from atheism to anti-theism, but both are different positions - And that brings the question, did you become an agnostic or a gnostic atheist?

I'm also an anti-theist but anti-theism comes for different reasons than atheism, and both positions are not mutually exclusive.

Glad to hear the story. I however think we can keep our assertive anti-theism without discriminating or advocating wrong measures (i.e. Legally banning religion).
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: An Uncommon Reintroduction
(January 4, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Blackout Wrote: I'd like to just note that you being an anti-theist is a different position from simply being an atheist

Yes, I am aware of the distinction between atheism and anti-theism.

(January 4, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Blackout Wrote: - You indirectly claim to transition from atheism to anti-theism, but both are different positions - And that brings the question, did you become an agnostic or a gnostic atheist?

I did transition from atheism to anti-theism due to them being different positions, so I am confused by you having added but in there.

As to your question: I was an agnostic in the beginning when I discovered Robert Green Ingersoll. I was even an Agnostic Theist before fully transitioning to atheism and then eventually to anti-theism.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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RE: An Uncommon Reintroduction
I like your last paragraph:
Quote:As a militant anti-theist, I find absolutely no truth or relevance to religion, the bible, or the theistic god I view as purely non-existent. I will not apologize for the way I post in relation to theism and toward theists. Theism is a veritable plague that needs to be brought to the point where it no longer has any relevance in society, because even I know wiping it out completely is an impossibility, and the way I post will continue to reflect my abhorrence for that which is a veritable disease upon humanity. Theism stopped having any relevance when we began to reason. To cling to primitive ideas is unreasonable and merely aids in delusion. There is no good that theism can provide that cannot be found through secularism, and what good theism does profess to possess is never truly good at all.

I wouldn't call myself anti-theist, but it's hard to argue with your reasoning.
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RE: An Uncommon Reintroduction
(January 4, 2015 at 4:35 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(January 4, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Blackout Wrote: I'd like to just note that you being an anti-theist is a different position from simply being an atheist

Yes, I am aware of the distinction between atheism and anti-theism.

(January 4, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Blackout Wrote: - You indirectly claim to transition from atheism to anti-theism, but both are different positions - And that brings the question, did you become an agnostic or a gnostic atheist?

I did transition from atheism to anti-theism due to them being different positions, so I am confused by you having added but in there.

As to your question: I was an agnostic in the beginning when I discovered Robert Green Ingersoll. I was even an Agnostic Theist before fully transitioning to atheism and then eventually to anti-theism.

Yes but you can be an anti-theist and a theist if you believe god is evil, and so on... What I'm asking is if you're a gnostic or agnostic? For example I'm an anti-theist and a gnostic atheist, you are certainly not only an anti-theist, I'm assuming you are an atheist as well, but I know your anti-theist position probably implies atheism as well, still I like to clear things out.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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I think I see what you mean now. My view of god is as nothing more than a fictional character. I view his evilness as a Harry Potter fan would view the evilness of Voldermort. I suppose from your perspective that would make me anti-theist as well as atheist.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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RE: An Uncommon Reintroduction
(January 4, 2015 at 5:35 pm)Sionnach Wrote: I think I see what you mean now. My view of god is as nothing more than a fictional character. I view his evilness as a Harry Potter fan would view the evilness of Voldermort. I suppose from your perspective that would make me anti-theist as well as atheist.

Ok sorry to be picky but do you lack belief in gods or do you know gods don't exist? Tongue

Voldemort is one of my favourite characters from the series, he incarnates pretty well the fear of death humans have that is, in my opinion, the lead cause to believe in gods (that lead to belief in afterlives and heavens) - I'll admit when I stopped fearing my own death, I became an atheist.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: An Uncommon Reintroduction
(January 4, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: Ok sorry to be picky but do you lack belief in gods or do you know gods don't exist? Tongue

I prefer to state I know god does not exist.

When it comes to Santa Clause, the magical being not the holiday concept, I am not going to state I lack belief in Santa Clause just because there is no evidence proving he does not exist. Instead, I am going to rightly, logically, reasonably, state that I know Santa Clause does not exist because there is zero evidence to support his existence.

Just replace Santa Clause with god, and it is the same thing.
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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