Drich, reading comprehension, please. He bolded it because he's showing you that you're claiming to know what we believe, without addressing what we've actually claimed to believe. I know that's par for the course for you, but it does get pretty irritating.

(And again, please ask Jesus to resurrect your formatting, geez)

(January 29, 2015 at 1:50 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: Didn't Paul say God's law is written on everybody's heart (i.e. intuitive)? My intuitive sense of right and wrong wants to puke when it reads the story of Genesis.

The laws yes. These things are wrong because God says they are wrong. But the mistake being they are wrong because a given act in wrong in itself. When in fact they are wrong only because God has forbade man from doing these things.

Quote:This idea that we should abandon our own innate sense of morality is really dangerous IMO - especially when the Bible is so ambiguous and people claim to get guidance through the Holy Spirit.

I don't expect I will change your mind though.

Your right I am not going to change my mind, but the thing is my mind is not where you think it is. I did not say we should abandon 'morality'. Just view it for what it is. a work study on whatever the lessor of two evils is. In man's morality is an evil can be justified or if it can be minimumized it ceases to be wrong. (abortion and homosexuality) where in God's ecconomy these things will always be wrong for us to do.

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(January 29, 2015 at 1:57 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 29, 2015 at 1:51 pm)Drich Wrote: What is the meaning of life?

that's another easy one...

In essence God wants sentient beinga to work with in the here/after for eternity. Rather God has Jobs he wants done, and he created a universe that requires a 'man behind the curtain' in certain aspects. (like angels serve as messengers ect) The 'trusted followers' (depending on one's faithfulness in this life) will be given a task to do in the next perfectly suited to us.

To what end? To God's glory.

(If you dont know what that means ask don't assume.)

When that time comes when we see other sentient beings if this happens in our life time. What do you expect do you expect us to still be in gods image because the outsiders would look different would you even welcome them our would call them demons.

I don't think that is something you (as you claim them to be) will ever have to worry about.

To answer your question though (we are other the sentient beings) God is sentient, the angels are sentient, demons are sentient...

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(January 29, 2015 at 2:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Drich, reading comprehension, please. He bolded it because he's showing you that you're claiming to know what we believe, without addressing what we've actually claimed to believe. I know that's par for the course for you, but it does get pretty irritating.

(And again, please ask Jesus to resurrect your formatting, geez)

then I again will point back to the list of post numbers and have him read them.

(January 29, 2015 at 2:07 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 29, 2015 at 1:30 pm)Xeno Wrote: How can this be if most people quote your posts and address only what you said in them?

I don't want to call anyone out so I will use the name 'tiger lilly' So tiger lilly would quote a passage of mine and then start in on what he thought it said or what he thought christians would say and not actuall address what was in the quote. When I called tiger lilly on this his response was just to stop quoting, and kept on.

Another 'quoter' I'll call him 'the beat' also did what tiger lilly did. However, when I responded he would not participate or acknoweledge my response. He would typically make a reference to some victory he claimed in the past and then try and draw paralells between what ever he was talking about currently with what he or I did/didn't do earlier in the thread or even months or years back with absolutly Nothing to substaintiae his claim..

I ask you how is this not absolutle intelectual laziness, steeped in logical fallacy?' But, hey their crap was spell right.. I guess when such importance is placed of things like spelling and grammar things like content cease to matter.

Quote:Furthermore, they ask you direct questions on what you think and believe.

Besides, didn't you do that just a couple of posts earlier? I mean this:

(January 29, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Drich Wrote: again another ironically lazy statement. Why? because you believe that I have not spent the last 20+ years researching and testing every aspect of what I believe.

Bolding mine.

Quote:You just said right there what we believe.

In nearly 50 pages of dialog in just this one thread, you honestly don't think I have not covered my beliefs ad nasuim? Or is it your belief that if say 'the beat' or tiger lilly wants to asked me 10 times a day what i believe i am obligated to answer each time?

Arguementium Ad nausium is a logicall fallacy tactic the 'the beat' frequently employs. He will ask the same question 10 15 or as many times as it takes ignoring what has been said 19 time for that 20th time when you don't answer him. they call you character into question for not answering him on his terms or say because you can't answer.. bla bla bla..

For guys like this "trolls" they are not looking for answers they are looking to manuver and employ tactics to claim whatever they wanted to say to begin with. So why do I play along? for those who may have that question they are pretending to have but do not want to ask it for whatever reason.

OK.

First off, I understand not wanting to call anyone out, but by doing that you just repeated your assertion that no one is addressing your points without providing evidence. You just repeated that we are using the strawman fallacy without pointing out where it was used.

Second, I don't see how anyone here is intellectually lazy, since most of us are actually trying to understand your points and make our own. We would be intellectually lazy if we just took everything we heard for granted, in which case we would not be having this discussion.

Third, I see you're still holding a grudge for the spelling thing. Like many people pointed out, we have given you our arguments, which you then ignored and repeated your earlier assertions. In that situation there is little to do but point out the spelling mistakes. It's not a personal attack, the mistakes make your posts less clear. And being on the topic, you could at least admit to some of them, which you didn't.

And, just like the spelling, your formatting is making your posts very hard to read. Please fix it.

(January 29, 2015 at 2:12 pm)Drich Wrote: then I again will point back to the list of post numbers and have him read them.

Thanks, that's all you have to do. Just try to avoid making assertions about what we believe until we actually make an assertion as such.

Still not answering the question angels have no free will of their own so they cannot be included. It is how you would treat non human life is all i am asking because for all you know they have their own beliefs or not considering they have the technology to reach us and even talk to us. The better thing to say is why did god lie or even is god even real because its clearly written we are made in his image yet other sentient beings who are far from human who are there talking to us. So is god a lair is god to be trusted yes or no.

(January 29, 2015 at 2:16 pm)Xeno Wrote: Second, I don't see how anyone here is intelectually lazy, since most of us are actually trying to understand your points and make our own. We would be intelectually lazy if we just took everything we heard for granted, in which case we would not be having this discussion.

It's "intellectual" with two "L"s in the middle, ffs.

(January 29, 2015 at 2:56 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(January 29, 2015 at 2:16 pm)Xeno Wrote: Second, I don't see how anyone here is intelectually lazy, since most of us are actually trying to understand your points and make our own. We would be intelectually lazy if we just took everything we heard for granted, in which case we would not be having this discussion.

It's "intellectual" with two "L"s in the middle, ffs.

Whoops! Sorry, fixed that.

Sorry, it was just chafing me.

No problem, I know what you mean. It's a silly mistake. I guess I read too much of Drich lately

Fuck you.
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.
Anyway, to adress what you said, which didn't address my original point. Why do you continue to believe that this is factual, when there has been no empirical evidence to support it? I was also trying to point out that if you don't take the Bible literally, you can still be a faithful Catholic; even my RELIGION teacher doesn't take the Bible literally. My textbook on Christianity says you shouldn't take the Bible literally.
And I don't know why you do, as it has no evidence to support wild and dubious claims.
Seriously? Arguing with people is one thing, but calling them in intellectually lazy is another, especially when you continue to claim the Bible is 100% historically accurate.
You calling all (baseless accusation right there) atheists intellectually lazy bothers me greatly. I was indoctrinated into the Catholic Church from when I was a baby upward. I have been at a Catholic school for the entirety of my education. I tried to believe, and read books and websites, and genuinely tried to believe, but reading different books and other sources of information led me to becoming an agnostic athiest. You claim that I'm intellectually lazy, when I had to break free of an indoctrination, and when you can't even spell intellectually correctly,
Also, Ender's Game is originally a book. Ever hear of those? Also, are you trying to compare Ender to God? Ender is continually manipulated throughout the book, and has deep-set physiological problems, due to his sociopath brother, and unreasonable pressure put upon him, as a child, albeit an extremely intelligent one, commandeering an army.
I did read the OP, and that's part of the irony of you claiming that I am "big on baseless accusations."