(February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am)Riketto Wrote: You will have to excuse me Stim but when i did asked you..........Riketto Wrote:
Do you have any evidence that all the package of body-mind and consciousness goes to the dogs?....................you reply...............Yes.

So how can you say that you are not making a claim?

Quite easily, because I'm not. You asked if I had evidence for something existing solely in your head and I said yes. There's no claim there; I simply responded to your question. Interesting, and revealing, that you chose triumphal crowing about my apparently adopting the claim you ascribed to me, rather than ask what my evidence is - anyone would think that you expected me to say I had no such evidence, and I threw you off script.

(February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am)Riketto Wrote: And if you make a claim this claim should be backed down with evidence.

I agree. That's why I said I have evidence. How about you?

(February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am)Riketto Wrote: Do you follow me?

Not as long as I still have my strength.

(February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am)Riketto Wrote: In this way the brain is in total command according to what i do understand from your statement.

You seem to be jumping to conclusions. The brain is never idle. This is a fact. If you required the "I" for the brain to function, you'd be dead, since nearly all of your vital functions are controlled unconsciously. Did you know that we dream every night, even though we may not remember any of those dreams? Where is the "I" when your brain is off in dreamland, fully free of your conscious direction? Who is this other spirit person, rampaging through your defenseless mind night after night, having its way with your psyche while the "I" is nowhere to be found?

(February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 2, 2015 at 2:38 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Why do you keep making "I" so huge?
Bolding and increasing the font size doesn't mean anything....

May i ask you what the I means to you if anything?
Once i know what you think than i will be able to explain you why.

I = the nominative singular pronoun, used by a speaker in referring to himself or herself.
EXAMPLE: "I am writing this post."

(February 3, 2015 at 8:35 am)Tonus Wrote:

(February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am)Riketto Wrote: In this way the brain is in total command according to what i do understand from your statement.

You seem to be jumping to conclusions. The brain is never idle. This is a fact. If you required the "I" for the brain to function, you'd be dead, since nearly all of your vital functions are controlled unconsciously. Did you know that we dream every night, even though we may not remember any of those dreams? Where is the "I" when your brain is off in dreamland, fully free of your conscious direction? Who is this other spirit person, rampaging through your defenseless mind night after night, having its way with your psyche while the "I" is nowhere to be found?

A car can be left idle with the engine on but it is not moving anywhere UNTIL the driver pop in and put it into gear and drive away.
The brain works in the same way.
It can well be into an unconscious dream but UNTIL the I decide to make it move nothing really happen.
So it is the I that decide not the brain.
Sorry mate for disappointing you.

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(February 3, 2015 at 11:16 am)LostLocke Wrote:

(February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am)Riketto Wrote: May i ask you what the I means to you if anything?
Once i know what you think than i will be able to explain you why.

I = the nominative singular pronoun, used by a speaker in referring to himself or herself.
EXAMPLE: "I am writing this post."

Exactly as i thought.
Considering that we are talking about whether the brain and the I are the same thing or they are two separate entity that does not mean anything to you.
That is why i point out by putting a big I that according to me the I is the decider not the brain.

(February 4, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Riketto Wrote: A car can be left idle with the engine on but it is not moving anywhere UNTIL the driver pop in and put it into gear and drive away.
The brain works in the same way.
It can well be into an unconscious dream but UNTIL the I decide to make it move nothing really happen.
So it is the I that decide not the brain.

Errr... no. A car and the brain do not "idle" in the same manner. But since we're probably less than a decade away from cars that drive by themselves, you might want to find a different analogy soon.

Riketto Wrote:Sorry mate for disappointing you.

No worries, rik! I've gotten used to it by now.

(February 3, 2015 at 7:39 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(February 3, 2015 at 7:06 am)Riketto Wrote: You will have to excuse me Stim but when i did asked you..........Riketto Wrote:
Do you have any evidence that all the package of body-mind and consciousness goes to the dogs?....................you reply...............Yes.

So how can you say that you are not making a claim?

Quite easily, because I'm not. You asked if I had evidence for something existing solely in your head and I said yes. There's no claim there; I simply responded to your question. Interesting, and revealing, that you chose triumphal crowing about my apparently adopting the claim you ascribed to me, rather than ask what my evidence is - anyone would think that you expected me to say I had no such evidence, and I threw you off script.

That is a very smart way to put it.
I should also nominate you for the next Nobel price for smartness.
Now forget for a minute that the question come from Rik and instead come from somebody else with the intent to know your opinion about whether the consciousness goes to the dogs once the body-mind dies.
What would you say?

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(February 4, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(February 4, 2015 at 12:08 pm)Riketto Wrote: A car can be left idle with the engine on but it is not moving anywhere UNTIL the driver pop in and put it into gear and drive away.
The brain works in the same way.
It can well be into an unconscious dream but UNTIL the I decide to make it move nothing really happen.
So it is the I that decide not the brain.

Errr... no. A car and the brain do not "idle" in the same manner. But since we're probably less than a decade away from cars that drive by themselves, you might want to find a different analogy soon.

Riketto Wrote:Sorry mate for disappointing you.

No worries, rik! I've gotten used to it by now.

Sorry mate but the cars that drive by themselves are programmed by someone so the I is still in charge.
Matter doesn't have enough consciousness to do anything by itself.
Disappointed again?

(February 4, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Riketto Wrote: Sorry mate but the cars that drive by themselves are programmed by someone so the I is still in charge.
Matter doesn't have enough consciousness to do anything by itself.

Great! So you recognize that your analogy does not apply? Maybe we're getting somewhere.

Riketto Wrote:Disappointed again?

I keep my expectations within reason, rik. But yeah, kinda.

(February 4, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Riketto Wrote: That is a very smart way to put it.
I should also nominate you for the next Nobel price for smartness.
Now forget for a minute that the question come from Rik and instead come from somebody else with the intent to know your opinion about whether the consciousness goes to the dogs once the body-mind dies.
What would you say?

Thanks for the compliment, but the question is nonsensical and irrelevant whoever it comes from. I have never expressed that opinion, you have expressed it and then attributed it to me. Please stop doing that. I will not have to ask again.

(February 4, 2015 at 12:40 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(February 4, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Riketto Wrote: Sorry mate but the cars that drive by themselves are programmed by someone so the I is still in charge.
Matter doesn't have enough consciousness to do anything by itself.

Great! So you recognize that your analogy does not apply? Maybe we're getting somewhere.

Why it doesn't apply?
The car is made of matter and so the brain.
In both cases they need and I that decide to make the move.

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(February 4, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(February 4, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Riketto Wrote: That is a very smart way to put it.
I should also nominate you for the next Nobel price for smartness.
Now forget for a minute that the question come from Rik and instead come from somebody else with the intent to know your opinion about whether the consciousness goes to the dogs once the body-mind dies.
What would you say?

Thanks for the compliment, but the question is nonsensical and irrelevant whoever it comes from. I have never expressed that opinion, you have expressed it and then attributed it to me. Please stop doing that. I will not have to ask again.

Gee, i just forgot that you are here because you have to wade through this shit and not to interact in this low caste forum.
I try to remember Stim.