(February 14, 2015 at 8:43 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 13, 2015 at 1:19 pm)Surgenator Wrote: As expected from someone of lower consciousness awareness.
You resorted to name calling because my analogy is beyond your comprehension.
Of course a blind bird can't fly,
The fact you're suggesting that I implied so shows your dishonesty.
But I expected nothing less from an inferior consciousness.

You imply that you come out with an analogy but analogy make sense while your thought doesn't.
Consciousness is within not externally so even a blind person can develop consciousness.
Intellect is a product of consciousness not the other way around according to yoga so the fact that the blind bird see or doesn't see what it is externally he-she still can acquire knowledge.
Sorry surgen but you fail once again.

Oh look, you didn't apply the analogy correctly. Big surprise!
And now your trying to put words in my mouth. Dishonesty is your specialty.

(February 14, 2015 at 8:43 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 13, 2015 at 1:28 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You didn't answer the question. Do you have total peace of mind?

... so NO i haven't reach that stage yet or i would be God.

So basically, you're selling us something that you do not have. I see. Some might call that fraud.

Did Sarkar have total peace of mind?

(February 14, 2015 at 2:52 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(February 14, 2015 at 8:43 am)Riketto Wrote: ... so NO i haven't reach that stage yet or i would be God.

So basically, you're selling us something that you do not have. I see. Some might call that fraud.

Let me see if i got it right.
You say that a general doctor shouldn't practice just because he-she is not yet a specialist or suppose that yogini is a primary teacher therefore she shouldn't teach just because she still is not yet a professor or suppose my ex-mate Stim is an apprendice undertaker.
Stim has been doing this work for 3 years but because he still is not yet a professional undertaker he should stop practicing straight away.
Is this what you mean yogini?

Quote:Did Sarkar have total peace of mind?

Why you want to know things that you couldn't understand no matter which way people explain them to you?
Whatever thing i would tell it wouldn't make any sense to you.
But don't despair yogini.
One day when you will exit the corral of dogma you will be able to understand who Sarkar is.

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(February 14, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(February 14, 2015 at 8:43 am)Riketto Wrote: You imply that you come out with an analogy but analogy make sense while your thought doesn't.
Consciousness is within not externally so even a blind person can develop consciousness.
Intellect is a product of consciousness not the other way around according to yoga so the fact that the blind bird see or doesn't see what it is externally he-she still can acquire knowledge.
Sorry surgen but you fail once again.

Oh look, you didn't apply the analogy correctly. Big surprise!
And now your trying to put words in my mouth. Dishonesty is your specialty.

Your blind bird can not possibly see anything but didn't you know that the rest of the senses in a blind creature pick up what is lost in one of the sense?
From this FACT you should have understood that the blind bird could perceive the knowledge in a different way.
Suppose that the male bird sing something to the female bird.
Normally if the blind female bird would perceive suppose a 0 out of 100 with her sight the hearing would achieve 100 out of 100 so she still would be able to get the knowledge one way or another.
Now suppose that the little Rik can not understand your intellectual jargon.
Does that means that Rik can not perceive your intentions any other way?
You never thought of it surgen, didn't you?

(February 15, 2015 at 7:54 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 14, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Oh look, you didn't apply the analogy correctly. Big surprise!
And now your trying to put words in my mouth. Dishonesty is your specialty.

Your blind bird can not possibly see anything but didn't you know that the rest of the senses in a blind creature pick up what is lost in one of the sense?
From this FACT you should have understood that the blind bird could perceive the knowledge in a different way.
Suppose that the male bird sing something to the female bird.
Normally if the blind female bird would perceive suppose a 0 out of 100 with her sight the hearing would achieve 100 out of 100 so she still would be able to get the knowledge one way or another.
Now suppose that the little Rik can not understand your intellectual jargon.
Does that means that Rik can not perceive your intentions any other way?
You never thought of it surgen, didn't you?

You sound reasonable. However, I witness how short this reasonable state will last. Yet you still misunderstand the analogy. The male bird showing off his nest is analogous to people here pointing to evidence. You're the blind bird who cannot witness the awesome of it. You can only hear about it but cannot comprehend the whole of it. That is the meaning of the blind bird analogy.

(February 15, 2015 at 7:54 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 14, 2015 at 2:52 pm)rasetsu Wrote: So basically, you're selling us something that you do not have. I see. Some might call that fraud.

Let me see if i got it right.
You say that a general doctor shouldn't practice just because he-she is not yet a specialist or suppose that yogini is a primary teacher therefore she shouldn't teach just because she still is not yet a professor or suppose my ex-mate Stim is an apprendice undertaker.
Stim has been doing this work for 3 years but because he still is not yet a professional undertaker he should stop practicing straight away.
Is this what you mean yogini?

And we're back to false and inapplicable analogies.....

(February 15, 2015 at 7:54 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 14, 2015 at 2:52 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Did Sarkar have total peace of mind?

Why you want to know things that you couldn't understand no matter which way people explain them to you?
Whatever thing i would tell it wouldn't make any sense to you.
But don't despair yogini.
One day when you will exit the corral of dogma you will be able to understand who Sarkar is.

And you didn't answer the question.... again.

(February 15, 2015 at 7:54 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 14, 2015 at 2:52 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Did Sarkar have total peace of mind?

One day when you will exit the corral of dogma you will be able to understand who Sarkar is.

Isn't he some kind of fakir? Or maybe he bottled snake oil.

How is progress coming for you, Rikky? Have you found the gate for the corral yet?

I'm pretty sure living is kind of like gardening in that if you're in a big hurry, you're just not doing it right.

@Riketto:
Did Sarkar have total peace of mind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKtCnQxCEFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RZJSsYUad0

(February 15, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(February 15, 2015 at 7:54 am)Riketto Wrote: Your blind bird can not possibly see anything but didn't you know that the rest of the senses in a blind creature pick up what is lost in one of the sense?
From this FACT you should have understood that the blind bird could perceive the knowledge in a different way.
Suppose that the male bird sing something to the female bird.
Normally if the blind female bird would perceive suppose a 0 out of 100 with her sight the hearing would achieve 100 out of 100 so she still would be able to get the knowledge one way or another.
Now suppose that the little Rik can not understand your intellectual jargon.
Does that means that Rik can not perceive your intentions any other way?
You never thought of it surgen, didn't you?

You sound reasonable. However, I witness how short this reasonable state will last. Yet you still misunderstand the analogy. The male bird showing off his nest is analogous to people here pointing to evidence. You're the blind bird who cannot witness the awesome of it. You can only hear about it but cannot comprehend the whole of it. That is the meaning of the blind bird analogy.

And you claim that you got evidence?
Are you serious surgen?
You can't even understand how the universal system works so what evidence can you ever offer?
Can a body function without the head?
Not even a zombie could go around without a head in place.
The reason why i keep on saying that well before you try to know the external reality you should try to know yourself.
Just look at yourself before you look externally.
The universe function the same way as your body.
A body is not composed only of matter, water, energy, air a space to contain the whole but also of mind and consciousness.
The universe is also composed of matter, water, light, air and space but could really function without a mind and a consciousness?
If our body can not function without a mind and consciousness why the universe could?
Both entity are composed of the same elements so why one can not function without a mind and consciousness and the other doesn't need mind and consciousness.
You never thought about it surgen, didn't you mate?

(February 16, 2015 at 9:29 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 15, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Surgenator Wrote: You sound reasonable. However, I witness how short this reasonable state will last. Yet you still misunderstand the analogy. The male bird showing off his nest is analogous to people here pointing to evidence. You're the blind bird who cannot witness the awesome of it. You can only hear about it but cannot comprehend the whole of it. That is the meaning of the blind bird analogy.

And you claim that you got evidence?
Are you serious surgen?
You can't even understand how the universal system works so what evidence can you ever offer?
Can a body function without the head?
Not even a zombie could go around without a head in place.
The reason why i keep on saying that well before you try to know the external reality you should try to know yourself.
Just look at yourself before you look externally.
The universe function the same way as your body.
A body is not composed only of matter, water, energy, air a space to contain the whole but also of mind and consciousness.
The universe is also composed of matter, water, light, air and space but could really function without a mind and a consciousness?
If our body can not function without a mind and consciousness why the universe could?
Both entity are composed of the same elements so why one can not function without a mind and consciousness and the other doesn't need mind and consciousness.
You never thought about it surgen, didn't you mate?

Riiiiggggghht, so, by that reckoning, I could say a rock has a consciousness, as it's made up of the same constituent parts.

But that would be fucking stupid.