(February 21, 2015 at 9:18 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 20, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Surgenator Wrote: I don't have evidence that God exist. I don't have evidence the tooth fairy exist. Guess what is the rational thing to do? Assume they don't exist until evidence is presented that they do exist. Hence, your question about a non-existent being observing a rock is stupid.

I can show how a rock exist without any existing being observing it. I can put a rock in a closed box with a video camera. Come back in five to ten minutes and review the tape. Guess what I'll find?

Very very silly comment surgen but what to expect from someone who believe only in the material-physical-mental life?
Suppose that a mind or an hypothetical God is there to witness the rock?
How suppose a camera be able to film someone who doesn't have a body?
You never thought this way surgen, did you?

Show me evidence of a God. Then we can talk about him maintaining things existence. Otherwise, you're just bullshitting yourself into the believing the non-existent.

(February 21, 2015 at 10:34 am)Riketto Wrote: You presume that an hypothetical God hide from us.

Not necessarily; a hypothetical god can be as rational or crazy as you want him to be... but theists are not talking about hypothetical gods, they are talking about beings that they are convinced are real. When you are talking about a real god, and describe her in ways that don't make sense --such as making pathetic excuses about why it won't show itself to me-- that doesn't impress me. Please stop trying to explain to me why god works so hard to act as if he doesn't exist; that's the stuff you are supposed to tell yourself so that you can hang onto the belief system you cannot or will not let go. That doesn't work to convince me. I already know she hasn't showed up. Saying that it's exactly what he intended to do only confirms the part I know, not the part you claim to know.

Clear?

(February 21, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(February 21, 2015 at 10:34 am)Riketto Wrote: You presume that an hypothetical God hide from us.

Not necessarily; a hypothetical god can be as rational or crazy as you want him to be... but theists are not talking about hypothetical gods, they are talking about beings that they are convinced are real. When you are talking about a real god, and describe her in ways that don't make sense --such as making pathetic excuses about why it won't show itself to me-- that doesn't impress me. Please stop trying to explain to me why god works so hard to act as if he doesn't exist; that's the stuff you are supposed to tell yourself so that you can hang onto the belief system you cannot or will not let go. That doesn't work to convince me. I already know she hasn't showed up. Saying that it's exactly what he intended to do only confirms the part I know, not the part you claim to know.

Clear?

The only clear thing is that you will never experience any kind of love until you acknowledge that love is two way reciprocation.
This apply also in the physical world.
Of course there are some people who confuse a masturbation with love but real love is two way sentiment.
No reciprocation no love.
Clear?

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(February 21, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(February 21, 2015 at 9:18 am)Riketto Wrote: Very very silly comment surgen but what to expect from someone who believe only in the material-physical-mental life?
Suppose that a mind or an hypothetical God is there to witness the rock?
How suppose a camera be able to film someone who doesn't have a body?
You never thought this way surgen, did you?

Show me evidence of a God. Then we can talk about him maintaining things existence. Otherwise, you're just bullshitting yourself into the believing the non-existent.

I am afraid that i can not dig for you.
It is hard enough to dig for me.
If i do your homework you never learn anything surgen.
But even if i would wish to do your homework i could not do it.
This is the rule of the game.

(February 22, 2015 at 4:46 am)Riketto Wrote: The only clear thing is that you will never experience any kind of love until you acknowledge that love is two way reciprocation.
This apply also in the physical world.
Of course there are some people who confuse a masturbation with love but real love is two way sentiment.
No reciprocation no love.
Clear?

The only thing clear is that you changed the subject yet again. Look, it's not my problem that you cannot defend your lunacy. I'm not obliged to follow you each time you try to change the subject. Until you can offer a reasonable explanation for why god hides, I don't have to bother with your wacky explanations of love and masturbation and how they correlate to your posts (although I could make a link between your posts and masturbation).

Clear?

(February 22, 2015 at 4:46 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 21, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Show me evidence of a God. Then we can talk about him maintaining things existence. Otherwise, you're just bullshitting yourself into the believing the non-existent.

I am afraid that i can not dig for you.
It is hard enough to dig for me.
If i do your homework you never learn anything surgen.
But even if i would wish to do your homework i could not do it.
This is the rule of the game.

I did my fair share of digging. The only thing I found was layers of bullshit upon layers of self-righteous ignorance. Your claims are no different. You claim to have found a gem in all the bullshit, then show me the gem.

(February 19, 2015 at 10:41 am)pocaracas Wrote: What if we're the zombies and the Universe is truly alive?!

But then WHO WAS PHONE?

(February 22, 2015 at 8:51 am)Tonus Wrote:

(February 22, 2015 at 4:46 am)Riketto Wrote: The only clear thing is that you will never experience any kind of love until you acknowledge that love is two way reciprocation.
This apply also in the physical world.
Of course there are some people who confuse a masturbation with love but real love is two way sentiment.
No reciprocation no love.
Clear?

The only thing clear is that you changed the subject yet again. Look, it's not my problem that you cannot defend your lunacy. I'm not obliged to follow you each time you try to change the subject. Until you can offer a reasonable explanation for why god hides, I don't have to bother with your wacky explanations of love and masturbation and how they correlate to your posts (although I could make a link between your posts and masturbation).Clear?

Where you got the idea that i said that God is hiding?
Did i say that?
If i would say that God if it exist is hiding would be like to put some fallen tree before the cart.
I wouldn't get anywhere in this way.
Until you put in your mind that without reciprocation love will never materialize or be felt in any way than your cart will be stopped for ever by your stubbornness.
Would you show your love to someone who doesn't give a damn about you?
There is a difference between saying that God is hiding and to say that God doesn't reciprocate BECAUSE you show no interest in Him.
Is this a bit more CLEAR?

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(February 22, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(February 22, 2015 at 4:46 am)Riketto Wrote: I am afraid that i can not dig for you.
It is hard enough to dig for me.
If i do your homework you never learn anything surgen.
But even if i would wish to do your homework i could not do it.
This is the rule of the game.

I did my fair share of digging. The only thing I found was layers of bullshit upon layers of self-righteous ignorance. Your claims are no different. You claim to have found a gem in all the bullshit, then show me the gem.

You are asking for the sky and a lot more surgen.
Even if i would open up my skull to show you the pineal gland you would hardly understand much except that the differences between my gland and yours is that it emit a bit more melatonin but as far as spiritual progress (which is the way to perceive God) you could not detect anything as God is something spiritual rather than physical.
That is why it is impossible to show you the gem.

(February 23, 2015 at 8:24 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 22, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Surgenator Wrote: I did my fair share of digging. The only thing I found was layers of bullshit upon layers of self-righteous ignorance. Your claims are no different. You claim to have found a gem in all the bullshit, then show me the gem.

You are asking for the sky and a lot more surgen.
Even if i would open up my skull to show you the pineal gland you would hardly understand much except that the differences between my gland and yours is that it emit a bit more melatonin but as far as spiritual progress (which is the way to perceive God) you could not detect anything as God is something spiritual rather than physical.
That is why it is impossible to show you the gem.

If all your evidence is in your head, then your "evidence" is indistinguishable from delusion. Since delusions are very common, I'm safe to assume your claims are delusions.

Also, if god cannot be detected because he is spiritual, then he cannot interact with the physical world. You need something that mediates between spiritual and physical for one to affect the other. Before you claim the pineal gland as your mediator, remember the pineal gland is made out of physical stuff. Look up problems with dualism in the mind body problem.

(February 23, 2015 at 1:42 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(February 23, 2015 at 8:24 am)Riketto Wrote: You are asking for the sky and a lot more surgen.
Even if i would open up my skull to show you the pineal gland you would hardly understand much except that the differences between my gland and yours is that it emit a bit more melatonin but as far as spiritual progress (which is the way to perceive God) you could not detect anything as God is something spiritual rather than physical.
That is why it is impossible to show you the gem.

If all your evidence is in your head, then your "evidence" is indistinguishable from delusion. Since delusions are very common, I'm safe to assume your claims are delusions.

Delusions last for sometime.
Delusions can not give a permanent feeling of job accomplished or the feeling that something has changed within while yoga is achieving something that stay with you.
Delusion is theory while yoga is practice so it obvious that with theory you wan't get anywhere.
Delusion is also atheism.
When you think that you know how the system works you realize that in your hands you only got dead flies.
That is the illusion that physical science can solve the real human problem which is not physical.

Quote:Also, if god cannot be detected because he is spiritual, then he cannot interact with the physical world. You need something that mediates between spiritual and physical for one to affect the other. Before you claim the pineal gland as your mediator, remember the pineal gland is made out of physical stuff. Look up problems with dualism in the mind body problem.

1) How do you know that God does not interact with the physical world?
Are you presuming that because he doesn't interact with you he also doesn't interact with other people or with different form of lives?
2) How do you know that the pineal gland is only made of physical stuff when even the physical science that you believe in has yet to find out the real role of this gland?

(February 24, 2015 at 4:14 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 23, 2015 at 1:42 pm)Surgenator Wrote: If all your evidence is in your head, then your "evidence" is indistinguishable from delusion. Since delusions are very common, I'm safe to assume your claims are delusions.

Delusions last for sometime.

That includes a lifetime.

Quote:Delusions can not give a permanent feeling of job accomplished or the feeling that something has changed within while yoga is achieving something that stay with you.

Yes they can.

Quote:Delusion is theory while yoga is practice so it obvious that with theory you wan't get anywhere.

Delusions are real unlike your god.

Quote:Delusion is also atheism.

Says the deluded.

Quote:When you think that you know how the system works you realize that in your hands you only got dead flies.
That is the illusion that physical science can solve the real human problem which is not physical.

Analogies are not evidence. In this case, not even an argument. Just assertions.

Quote:

Quote:Also, if god cannot be detected because he is spiritual, then he cannot interact with the physical world. You need something that mediates between spiritual and physical for one to affect the other. Before you claim the pineal gland as your mediator, remember the pineal gland is made out of physical stuff. Look up problems with dualism in the mind body problem.

1) How do you know that God does not interact with the physical world?
Are you presuming that because he doesn't interact with you he also doesn't interact with other people or with different form of lives?

How do you know that the pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid does not interact with the physical world? Are you presuming that because he doesn't interact with you he also doesn't interact with other people of with different form of lives?

Quote:2) How do you know that the pineal gland is only made of physical stuff when even the physical science that you believe in has yet to find out the real role of this gland?

How do you know that the testicles is only made of physical stuff when even the physical science that you believe in has yet to find out the real role of this gland?