(March 3, 2015 at 9:22 am)Riketto Wrote: In the meantime my practice into the intuitional field tell that the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness and the mind is a reflexion of the consciousness.

Yet your intuitional field won't (or can't) tell you what's in the green box. You haven't even tried to guess - not even once - which would fall smack in the centre of what intuition means. What good is all this stuff if you never test it; or more likely, only ever test it to confirm what you already believe to be true?

(Deflection, obfuscation and ad hominems in 3... 2... 1...)

(March 2, 2015 at 1:08 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(March 1, 2015 at 8:06 am)Riketto Wrote: ... And of course we can not see the mind because it is something NON physical.
So does this means that God is not there just because your physical senses can not grasp his presence?

We all have a mind and can discuss what it might be. The presence of the mind is evident and valid.

I am afraid that you don't follow the thread of the conversation.
I never said that the mind does not exist.
The thread was that if the mind exist although it can not be perceive physically it is also possible that God being a non physical entity can exist as he also is a non perceivable entity physically speaking.
This was in answer to people who said that God doesn't exist on the bases that is not anywhere to be seen or perceived physically speaking.
Do you follow?

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(March 3, 2015 at 9:34 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(March 3, 2015 at 9:22 am)Riketto Wrote: In the meantime my practice into the intuitional field tell that the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness and the mind is a reflexion of the consciousness.

Yet your intuitional field won't (or can't) tell you what's in the green box. You haven't even tried to guess - not even once - which would fall smack in the centre of what intuition means. What good is all this stuff if you never test it; or more likely, only ever test it to confirm what you already believe to be true?

(Deflection, obfuscation and ad hominems in 3... 2... 1...)

Stim, i am not sure what the rules of the forum say about keeping on asking the same thing when i already reply to your question at least 3 times.
As an administrator you should know whether you brake the rules or not.
I just leave it to you.
Have a lovely day.

(March 3, 2015 at 9:22 am)Riketto Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Surgenator Wrote: The mind is not abstract.

I beg your pardon surgen.
Can your 5 senses be able to grasp the mind?
Do you know what the term ABSTRACT means?
Did you just wake up or something happen to you?
I get a bit worry about you mate!

Can you grasp a computer? No not the piece of sophisticated machinery before you, but the computer? You want to make a distinction where there is none. The mind is the result of the brain. Please point to a mind that can live without a brain.

Quote:

Quote:The mind is NOT located in the pineal gland, nor some other gland.

So your long long studies in the field make you adamant that this is the case.
So let us see the evidence.
In the meantime my practice into the intuitional field tell that the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness and the mind is a reflexion of the consciousness.

LOL, you don't study, you assert. You cannot demonstrate any of your claims.

Quote:

Quote:The mind is a result of a functioning brain.

Gee, surgen today is not your day.
You are telling me that something crude and material like the physical brain can give birth to something a lot more subtle and sophisticate like the mind.
Is a bit like saying that a donkey can give birth to a human being.
I am afraid mate that you reach a stage in which you need serious help. (no offense although)

Yes, a brain can give birth to a mind. Like a electronic pieces can give birth to a computer.

Quote:

Quote:Until you can show a mind existing outside a brain, your claim is nothing more than bullshit.

Actually i never said that.
I rather said that the consciousness can exist without body and mind as experienced by thousand of NDEs.
Try to read my statement a bit better please.

Then show me a consciousness that exist outside a brain. And your NDEs stories is not evidence like alien abductions stories are not evidence.

Quote:

Quote:Because if i would have these guys in my testicles i would scratch my balls all the time.
Considering that i don't have any problem with my balls i deduce that nothing like that is there.
You never thought about it surgen, did you?

Quote:The pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid is non-physical. So scratching does nothing nor will they itch because the pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid is there. You claim nothing is wrong with your testicles, just like a blind man says there is nothing wrong with his vision. Such ignorance of the pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid will be your down fall. You need to accept the truth and let pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid into your testicles.

Wrong again mate.
Even the non physical things are able to make you scratch.
You remember when you fail in your exams how many times you scratched your head in disbelieve?
You never thought about it surgen, did you?

Oh, the stupid. Come back to me when you actually learn to reason.

(March 4, 2015 at 1:39 am)Surgenator Wrote:

(March 3, 2015 at 9:22 am)Riketto Wrote: I beg your pardon surgen.
Can your 5 senses be able to grasp the mind?
Do you know what the term ABSTRACT means?
Did you just wake up or something happen to you?
I get a bit worry about you mate!

Can you grasp a computer? No not the piece of sophisticated machinery before you, but the computer? You want to make a distinction where there is none. The mind is the result of the brain. Please point to a mind that can live without a brain.

You know what you remind me surgen?
You are like that boxer that after many KO still believe that he is able to fight back but in this way he get more and more ko.
1) First of all i never said that the mind can not live without a brain.
Please read my post properly or if your memory is not that good you should go back and read again my post.
2) The fact that the mind can not live without a brain DOES NOT mean that the mind is the result of the brain.
In fact is the other way around as the mind is a reflexion of the consciousness and the brain is the material necessary for the mind to operate just like a material car is the material or vehicle for the driver to carry on.
It never happen and it never will happen that the bottom give birth to the top.
Always the top give birth to the bottom.
This is the way mother nature works.

Quote:So your long long studies in the field make you adamant that this is the case.
So let us see the evidence.
In the meantime my practice into the intuitional field tell that the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness and the mind is a reflexion of the consciousness.

Quote:LOL, you don't study, you assert. You cannot demonstrate any of your claims.

Most of the atheist believe in Darwin but Darwin came to his conclusion just by OBSERVING.
You don't even bother to observe the truth within so how can you possibly come to any sort of conclusion?
You don't even know what is the difference between mind and consciousness and then you think that you can understand how the very basic works.
Get real surgen.

Quote:Gee, surgen today is not your day.
You are telling me that something crude and material like the physical brain can give birth to something a lot more subtle and sophisticate like the mind.
Is a bit like saying that a donkey can give birth to a human being.
I am afraid mate that you reach a stage in which you need serious help. (no offense although)

Quote:Yes, a brain can give birth to a mind. Like a electronic pieces can give birth to a computer.

In your faulty thinking you forget that the electronic piece was created a programmed by a human mind so it is ALWAYS a mind that come first never the other way around.
Gee, now i really feel sorry for you for this new KO.

Quote:Actually i never said that.
I rather said that the consciousness can exist without body and mind as experienced by thousand of NDEs.
Try to read my statement a bit better please.

Quote:Then show me a consciousness that exist outside a brain. And your NDEs stories is not evidence like alien abductions stories are not evidence.

Why don't you have a chat with all those EX-atheist that became believer after their NDE.
Don't risk surgen or you are going to experience a further KO.

Quote:Wrong again mate.
Even the non physical things are able to make you scratch.
You remember when you fail in your exams how many times you scratched your head in disbelieve?
You never thought about it surgen, did you?

Quote:Oh, the stupid. Come back to me when you actually learn to reason.

Surgen try to understand.
A good Ko should be taken as a learned lesson.
To try to resist only damage you more and more.

(March 4, 2015 at 7:51 am)Riketto Wrote: It never happen and it never will happen that the bottom give birth to the top.
Always the top give birth to the bottom.
This is the way mother nature works.

Hahaha. The shit you pull out of your ass just keeps getting weirder and weirder. The 'top' always gives birth to 'the bottom'. That's a classic.

Where did you learn this gem from?

His yoga teacher, where else?

(March 4, 2015 at 7:51 am)Riketto Wrote: Surgen try to understand.
A good Ko should be taken as a learned lesson.
To try to resist only damage you more and more.

Says the pigeon trying to play chess.

(March 4, 2015 at 12:50 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(March 4, 2015 at 7:51 am)Riketto Wrote: It never happen and it never will happen that the bottom give birth to the top.
Always the top give birth to the bottom.
This is the way mother nature works.

Hahaha. The shit you pull out of your ass just keeps getting weirder and weirder. The 'top' always gives birth to 'the bottom'. That's a classic.

Where did you learn this gem from?

Gee, i should have said that in rare cases the donkey can give birth to some sort of humans.

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(March 4, 2015 at 2:05 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(March 4, 2015 at 7:51 am)Riketto Wrote: Surgen try to understand.
A good Ko should be taken as a learned lesson.
To try to resist only damage you more and more.

Says the pigeon trying to play chess.

The problem arise when it is not the pigeon that try to play chess but a human with the pigeon brain.
Never mind as there is always the hope that the human with the pigeon brain can one day wake up and grow up.
In the meantime let us hear from brother surgen what is the difference between mind and consciousness.

(March 5, 2015 at 12:01 am)Riketto Wrote:

(March 4, 2015 at 2:05 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Says the pigeon trying to play chess.

The problem arise when it is not the pigeon that try to play chess but a human with the pigeon brain.
Never mind as there is always the hope that the human with the pigeon brain can one day wake up and grow up.
In the meantime let us hear from brother surgen what is the difference between mind and consciousness.

Thats brilliant coming from a person who cannot demonstrate ANY of his claims.

(March 5, 2015 at 12:10 am)Surgenator Wrote:

(March 5, 2015 at 12:01 am)Riketto Wrote: The problem arise when it is not the pigeon that try to play chess but a human with the pigeon brain.
Never mind as there is always the hope that the human with the pigeon brain can one day wake up and grow up.
In the meantime let us hear from brother surgen what is the difference between mind and consciousness.

Thats brilliant coming from a person who cannot demonstrate ANY of his claims.

You see!
Just as i already knew.
You want to talk about something very high but you haven't got a clue about something very small and very basic like the difference between the mind and the consciousness.
Didn't you notice that before you are admitted at the uni you got to go through primary, high school and so on.
That is how the knowledge is achieved.
If you don't know the basic and you want to engage in high talking it is like trying to build something without proper foundation.
But as the old granny said.........IS NEVER TOO LATE!