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Mandatory voting
#41
RE: Mandatory voting
Bush looks like a genius compared to the current crop of republicunt fuckwits.
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#42
RE: Mandatory voting
(March 23, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Bush looks like a genius compared to the current crop of republicunt fuckwits.

This is sad but so incredibly true.
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#43
RE: Mandatory voting
(March 20, 2015 at 2:32 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:
(March 20, 2015 at 2:18 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Why should you get rid of televised adds?

Because in America, they have become the major vehicle for attack ads disseminating misinformation about opponents, rather than policy concerns.

So put regulation in place requiring candidates to only speak of themselves and their stance on the important issues. Attack ads/disparaging comments/any mention of your rivals would be strictly prohibited.
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#44
RE: Mandatory voting
(March 23, 2015 at 5:55 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:
(March 20, 2015 at 2:32 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Because in America, they have become the major vehicle for attack ads disseminating misinformation about opponents, rather than policy concerns.

So put regulation in place requiring candidates to only speak of themselves and their stance on the important issues. Attack ads/disparaging comments/any mention of your rivals would be strictly prohibited.


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#45
RE: Mandatory voting
(March 19, 2015 at 11:44 am)popeyespappy Wrote: So Obama has floated the idea of mandatory voting in the US in order to offset the influence of big money. At first glance I think it sounds like a good idea, but would require changes at the polls on the state level in order to accommodate the additional voters. I don’t think people should be required to vote for a candidate though so a none option on the ballots would be necessary.

I don't vote as a matter of principle though. No candidate represents my interests adequately. Also Australia and some other countries have this and I believe they still have plenty of lobbyists. Obama is always so full of shit when he talks about campaign finance and getting money of politics. He's gotten more money than any candidate in history. More than Bush and Romney put together.

(March 23, 2015 at 5:55 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:
(March 20, 2015 at 2:32 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Because in America, they have become the major vehicle for attack ads disseminating misinformation about opponents, rather than policy concerns.

So put regulation in place requiring candidates to only speak of themselves and their stance on the important issues. Attack ads/disparaging comments/any mention of your rivals would be strictly prohibited.

That'll never work anyway. It'll just drive all of that into PACs and private groups who would do all the shit talking for them. Plus remember the 1st amendment?

You want money out of politics? Make it so politicians have nothing to offer businesses. No tax loopholes, no corporate subsidies, zip. If you got rid of that businesses would have no incentive

(March 23, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Bush looks like a genius compared to the current crop of republicunt fuckwits.

Bush looks like an idiot no matter who you compare him to.
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#46
RE: Mandatory voting
Quote:Bush looks like an idiot no matter who you compare him to.


I shan't quibble over that point.
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#47
RE: Mandatory voting
(March 23, 2015 at 9:00 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: That'll never work anyway. It'll just drive all of that into PACs and private groups who would do all the shit talking for them.

Via newspaper ads? Great. Take those ads off TV, you take away much of their effectiveness, because the people sucking on the television tit cannot be bothered to read, often.

(March 23, 2015 at 9:00 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Plus remember the 1st amendment?

All rights have limits which are often decided on the basis of the greater social good. The First is no different.


(March 23, 2015 at 9:00 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You want money out of politics? Make it so politicians have nothing to offer businesses. No tax loopholes, no corporate subsidies, zip. If you got rid of that businesses would have no incentive

How well do you think that will work in a global economy where outsourcing has already destroyed American heavy industry, and threatens the same with light manufacturing and computer hardware production?

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#48
RE: Mandatory voting
(March 19, 2015 at 11:44 am)popeyespappy Wrote: So Obama has floated the idea of mandatory voting in the US in order to offset the influence of big money. At first glance I think it sounds like a good idea, but would require changes at the polls on the state level in order to accommodate the additional voters. I don’t think people should be required to vote for a candidate though so a none option on the ballots would be necessary.
Mandatory voting does not require you to vote for a candidate. It requires you to attend a polling booth and place a ballot paper in a ballot box, which you can leave blank if you do not want to vote for a candidate.

Oh, and you wouldn't want to put a "none" option on the ballot because that would just encourage people to cast an informal vote which is counter-productive to the voting process.
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#49
RE: Mandatory voting
(March 23, 2015 at 9:30 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: All rights have limits which are often decided on the basis of the greater social good. The First is no different.

That's a slippery slippery slope right there. Yes, all rights have limits, but this isn't one of them. I would argue that protection of political speech was one of the primary reasons that the first amendment was created in the first place and that it far outweighs any social good that may come of it.


Quote:How well do you think that will work in a global economy where outsourcing has already destroyed American heavy industry, and threatens the same with light manufacturing and computer hardware production?

I think it would be fine. Protectionism is never a long term solution anyway. The market will eventually correct it anyway and corporate subsidies have been a corruption filled disaster from the start. The idea that they are necessary is pushed on us by the same people who are buying up all the politicians. Since when should we listen to them?
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#50
RE: Mandatory voting
(March 24, 2015 at 6:34 am)Aractus Wrote: Mandatory voting does not require you to vote for a candidate. It requires you to attend a polling booth and place a ballot paper in a ballot box, which you can leave blank if you do not want to vote for a candidate.

Oh, and you wouldn't want to put a "none" option on the ballot because that would just encourage people to cast an informal vote which is counter-productive to the voting process.

"None" is counter-productive to the voting process, but stuffing the ballot box with blank paper is okay; got it.

The following is a general comment and should not be construed as a direct reply to Aractus:

"We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ..." - Thomas Jefferson (original draft of the Declaration of Independence).

Mandatory voting is antithetical to a society that holds liberty as one of its basic rights. Seriously, how does forcing the citizenry to show up at an appointed place, on a specific date, between certain hours, to carry out a prescribed task mesh with the idea of liberty?

Liberty is necessarily curtailed by law when action, or inaction in cases where there's a duty to care, would result in harm to others; including depriving others of their rights. Not voting doesn't come anywhere near meeting this test which is why I find the proposition so repulsive.
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