Why do you think I ask for an unbiased source? Because then there could be an independent way of verifying whether or not this woman was healed by a miracle from the Great Fairy or not, which would actually HELP your case of trying to convince people of your arguments.
I did watch the video, and you know what I reckon I see? A severe case of psoriasis, which is usually a cyclical infection that can come and go on its own completely by itself. Here is a handy link for you, because I'm a nice guy and you desperately need to educate yourself on matters of diseases and biology, amongst other things.
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Psoriasis/P...ptoms.aspx

You're damn right I pointed out it was a christian 'healer'. You are apparently muslim, so pointing me to a video involving a christian 'healer' took me by surprise. Answer my question - are you unable to find a muslim equivalent, yes or no?

Speaking of the other things to educate yourself on, you can add astonomy to the list. Seriously, get a pen and paper and write these things down, then go read some books on the subjects.
So the sun blinks on and off several times a second. Right.
...
Do you have any idea of the chaos that would unravel on Earth if that actually happened? How completely that would change the world if suddenly millions upon millions of people looked up and saw the fucking sun start going haywire?
Come on, surely you can do better than this. For someone who is apparently of such unshakeable faith, you are turning in a piss-poor effort of converting this heathen, my good man.

(April 7, 2015 at 1:38 am)Iroscato Wrote: Why do you think I ask for an unbiased source? Because then there could be an independent way of verifying whether or not this woman was healed by a miracle from the Great Fairy or not, which would actually HELP your case of trying to convince people of your arguments.
I did watch the video, and you know what I reckon I see? A severe case of psoriasis, which is usually a cyclical infection that can come and go on its own completely by itself. Here is a handy link for you, because I'm a nice guy and you desperately need to educate yourself on matters of diseases and biology, amongst other things.
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Psoriasis/P...ptoms.aspx

You're damn right I pointed out it was a christian 'healer'. You are apparently muslim, so pointing me to a video involving a christian 'healer' took me by surprise. Answer my question - are you unable to find a muslim equivalent, yes or no?

Speaking of the other things to educate yourself on, you can add astonomy to the list. Seriously, get a pen and paper and write these things down, then go read some books on the subjects.
So the sun blinks on and off several times a second. Right.
...
Do you have any idea of the chaos that would unravel on Earth if that actually happened? How completely that would change the world if suddenly millions upon millions of people looked up and saw the fucking sun start going haywire?
Come on, surely you can do better than this. For someone who is apparently of such unshakeable faith, you are turning in a piss-poor effort of converting this heathen, my good man.

i have seen this miracle with my own eyes, and secondly it isnt the sun , but a spiritual perception manifested in the universe 
furthermore the woman who is healed, what you THINK it is , is only just that, what YOU THINK , furthermore in the video after that man commands the healing, does she react and vomit up that stuff, after which she is healed 

furthermore there is MANY other videos of that guy healing people with SERIOUS conditions, from open wounds to visible cancers , he heals the way Jesus (PBUH) healed , completely curing people with serious illnesses 

about why do i as a Muslim believe this is happening, its simple really , there is only one God and we may call Him Jesus or Allah(SWT) or whatever else but we are always directing our hearts(if we do it sincerely) only to Him and He hears the prayers only 

for Him to answer you all that is required is one thing, and that is true sincerity of the heart towards Him, it doesnt matter what your tounge is flapping because what your hearts means can only be one thing 
and about the sun miracle it is absolutely real i have seen it with my own eyes in front of me, it made the whole room shake, it was the brightest light ever and yet the most warmest and yet the most easy to look at 

if you were to try to look at the sun the way u would look at that light your retinas would burn, but this light even though it is actually brighter then the sun doesn't hurt your eyes in any way, in fact it soothes your eyes and it moves in strange way 
on the matter of Muslims and miracles, the problem is that the Muslims have taken a different path to belief in God, they had taken the path of using the mind for belief , as opposed to the Christians who come with just blind leaps of faith , they dont care about any logic or thinking , they just come with their heart sincerely to God
and God loves those who come to Him sincerely 

Muslims need to learn a lesson from the Christians regarding this, however having said that there also exists such people among Muslims who came to God sincerely and whole hardheartedly but they are very privet and dont record themselves doing these things and showing miracles , they just help people privately and keep it hidden so that they dont have people worshiping them instead of God 

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i will say one more thing

you might be wondering, "why dont such people who can do miracles go out and prove to everyone there i a God etc"

well the reason is simple, you see when people find God in their hearts , they also see the way God works and see the state of other people shearts and they know they cant help those who dont want to help themselves

if God wanted to finish you and me and everyone and just show us the truth , He can do it in a split second

but He doesnt and He is just and knows what is best for us , and if he wanted to guide you or all of humanity He could do it in less than a split second, but free will resides and rules and in the end the truth will be show to everyone

at your death is the minor judgement an revelation of truth, and finally the judgement day is the final truth and judgement

yukapuka Wrote:>snip bullfuckery<

Yes yes, god is great, all that jazz. Since you have chosen to simply ramble on about the same old nonsense ad infinitum, I will instead move to the matter of your education in the sciences. Please note it's not my profession, but my hobby, so take my advice with a grain of salt and look into further research by yourself. This is just based off my own experiences.

First off I recommend Pale Blue Dot by Carl Sagan, a truly wonderful read by a truly wonderful man who had unshakeable faith in the human race and the human race alone. You get to learn a lot about the solar system and it's brilliantly written to boot.

For biology, I'd recommend your standard GCSE - level textbooks really, gives you a good solid foundation and you learn things like cell mitosis and immune responses. Might be a bit boring but hey, learning can't always be fun right?

Also, try visiting I Fucking Love Science a couple times a week, they always have fascinating stuff on their site and their facebook page. They also normally do a 'this week in science' to helpfully round up the big advancements, though I admit it's been a while since I've seen them do it.

And you can't go wrong with the Horizon documentaries, some of the stuff they discuss is just mind-blowing. 'What is Reality' is a particular fave of mine, that shit was better than most of the weed I've smoked.

That's it for starters, really. Have fun feeding your brain!

(April 7, 2015 at 2:16 am)yukapuka Wrote:

(April 7, 2015 at 1:38 am)Iroscato Wrote: Why do you think I ask for an unbiased source? Because then there could be an independent way of verifying whether or not this woman was healed by a miracle from the Great Fairy or not, which would actually HELP your case of trying to convince people of your arguments.
I did watch the video, and you know what I reckon I see? A severe case of psoriasis, which is usually a cyclical infection that can come and go on its own completely by itself. Here is a handy link for you, because I'm a nice guy and you desperately need to educate yourself on matters of diseases and biology, amongst other things.
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Psoriasis/P...ptoms.aspx

You're damn right I pointed out it was a christian 'healer'. You are apparently muslim, so pointing me to a video involving a christian 'healer' took me by surprise. Answer my question - are you unable to find a muslim equivalent, yes or no?

Speaking of the other things to educate yourself on, you can add astonomy to the list. Seriously, get a pen and paper and write these things down, then go read some books on the subjects.
So the sun blinks on and off several times a second. Right.
...
Do you have any idea of the chaos that would unravel on Earth if that actually happened? How completely that would change the world if suddenly millions upon millions of people looked up and saw the fucking sun start going haywire?
Come on, surely you can do better than this. For someone who is apparently of such unshakeable faith, you are turning in a piss-poor effort of converting this heathen, my good man.

i have seen this miracle with my own eyes
death is the minor judgement an revelation of truth, and finally the judgement day is the final truth and judgement

1. If you have seen his miracles please do point some out.
2. death is final its not minor once your dead you are dead there is nothing after that no heaven or hell.
I pretty much explained that already. 

(April 7, 2015 at 2:33 am)Iroscato Wrote:

yukapuka Wrote:>snip bullfuckery<

Yes yes, god is great, all that jazz. Since you have chosen to simply ramble on about the same old nonsense ad infinitum, I will instead move to the matter of your education in the sciences. Please note it's not my profession, but my hobby, so take my advice with a grain of salt and look into further research by yourself. This is just based off my own experiences.

First off I recommend Pale Blue Dot by Carl Sagan, a truly wonderful read by a truly wonderful man who had unshakeable faith in the human race and the human race alone. You get to learn a lot about the solar system and it's brilliantly written to boot.

For biology, I'd recommend your standard GCSE - level textbooks really, gives you a good solid foundation and you learn things like cell mitosis and immune responses. Might be a bit boring but hey, learning can't always be fun right?

Also, try visiting I Fucking Love Science a couple times a week, they always have fascinating stuff on their site and their facebook page. They also normally do a 'this week in science' to helpfully round up the big advancements, though I admit it's been a while since I've seen them do it.

And you can't go wrong with the Horizon documentaries, some of the stuff they discuss is just mind-blowing. 'What is Reality' is a particular fave of mine, that shit was better than most of the weed I've smoked.

That's it for starters, really. Have fun feeding your brain!

there is no helping you nor reasoning with you 

watch that video and other videos and see how the guy heals with God's hand, also you ignored so many facts of that video, MANY MANY facts 

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(April 7, 2015 at 2:37 am)dyresand Wrote:

(April 7, 2015 at 2:16 am)yukapuka Wrote: i have seen this miracle with my own eyes
death is the minor judgement an revelation of truth, and finally the judgement day is the final truth and judgement

1. If you have seen his miracles please do point some out.
2. death is final its not minor once your dead you are dead there is nothing after that no heaven or hell.
I pretty much explained that already. 

point what out? i showed you three videos of that very thing , you can make up any excuse you like, but even if you tried using all of the science we have today you CANNOT make the sun do even 1 tenth of that in the video , and there is hundred of thousands of witnesses to that event more than one occasion and also at various sites across the world such as ivory coast, philliphines, portugal, and bosnia where those videos are from 

and death is not final, it is the beginning, just see how many people have recorded accounts of seeing life after death in which they died and returned back to life and described what they seen, atheists, christians, muslims and from many races or nations or religions or non religions

Tell you what sweetie, I'll watch the videos if you promise to at least read some science books. I actually think that sounds like a fair deal, don't you?
A simple explanation of the sun videos are these things we like to call 'fakes'. Trouble with Youtube is, it's terribly unreliable for things like this, and I'm fairly certain I could achieve a very similar looking video if you gave me a little while on some basic editing software.
So hundreds of thousands of people saw this unprecedented clestial event did they? Tell me, where are these hundreds of thousands at the moment? Why have they not swarmed the media in their multitudes, armed with thousands of different videos of the exact same event, taken from different angles and all corroborating their story?
I bet your sweet naive arse THAT would convert a few unbelievers!

(April 7, 2015 at 2:48 am)Iroscato Wrote: Tell you what sweetie, I'll watch the videos if you promise to at least read some science books. I actually think that sounds like a fair deal, don't you?
A simple explanation if the videos are these things we like to call 'fakes'. Trouble with Youtube is, it's terribly unreliable for things like this, and I'm fairly certain I could achieve a very similar looking video if you gave me a little while on some basic editing software.
So hundreds of thousands of people saw this unprecedented clestial event did they? Tell me, where are these hundreds of thousands at the moment? Why have they not swarmed the media in their multitudes, armed with thousands of different videos of the exact same event, taken from different angles and all corroborating their story?
I bet your sweet naive arse THAT would convert a few unbelievers!

actually you will find that there is many recordings of this on youtube from camera phones etc and if you are totally convinced that it is false, make a trip down to medjugorje in bosnia and hercegovina and see it for your self 
also if you think the healer is fake, go and see him yourself in person and see how he heals people and then tell him he is fake in his face 

also i do actually do study science, my degrees are in physics and software engineering , and physics is another proof of God , the laws of gravity, the perfection and order in the universe all of that is proof o a creator behind it

why gravitational force was formed and how it formed the planet and stars is the medium by which God create dour universe , but im not going to go into that

(April 7, 2015 at 2:39 am)yukapuka Wrote:

(April 7, 2015 at 2:33 am)Iroscato Wrote: Yes yes, god is great, all that jazz. Since you have chosen to simply ramble on about the same old nonsense ad infinitum, I will instead move to the matter of your education in the sciences. Please note it's not my profession, but my hobby, so take my advice with a grain of salt and look into further research by yourself. This is just based off my own experiences.

First off I recommend Pale Blue Dot by Carl Sagan, a truly wonderful read by a truly wonderful man who had unshakeable faith in the human race and the human race alone. You get to learn a lot about the solar system and it's brilliantly written to boot.

For biology, I'd recommend your standard GCSE - level textbooks really, gives you a good solid foundation and you learn things like cell mitosis and immune responses. Might be a bit boring but hey, learning can't always be fun right?

Also, try visiting I Fucking Love Science a couple times a week, they always have fascinating stuff on their site and their facebook page. They also normally do a 'this week in science' to helpfully round up the big advancements, though I admit it's been a while since I've seen them do it.

And you can't go wrong with the Horizon documentaries, some of the stuff they discuss is just mind-blowing. 'What is Reality' is a particular fave of mine, that shit was better than most of the weed I've smoked.

That's it for starters, really. Have fun feeding your brain!

there is no helping you nor reasoning with you 

watch that video and other videos and see how the guy heals with God's hand, also you ignored so many facts of that video, MANY MANY facts 

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(April 7, 2015 at 2:37 am)dyresand Wrote: 1. If you have seen his miracles please do point some out.
2. death is final its not minor once your dead you are dead there is nothing after that no heaven or hell.
I pretty much explained that already. 

point what out? i showed you three videos of that very thing , you can make up any excuse you like, but even if you tried using all of the science we have today you CANNOT make the sun do even 1 tenth of that in the video , and there is hundred of thousands of witnesses to that event more than one occasion and also at various sites across the world such as ivory coast, philliphines, portugal, and bosnia where those videos are from 

and death is not final, it is the beginning, just see how many people have recorded accounts of seeing life after death in which they died and returned back to life and described what they seen, atheists, christians, muslims and from many races or nations or religions or non religions

1. First video where the guy healed the woman. That is not really healing more like using psychology or even better a sugar pill then telling someone hey you can walk without feeling pain now. And the thing is a person mentally will think its working while not and the pain will go away sure but the problem is still there. Placebo affect http://bit.ly/1Ctzyy6

2. second video the sun either cleaver editing or you know solar eclipse in the one part, also there staring at the fucking sun what is wrong with these people.

3. Third video.. its the sun so what there is nothing miraculous about it. I can tell you the basic elements that make up a star. Hydrogen and Helium do not stare into it. 

4.  #1 TAKE A CHEAP CAM TAKE PICTURE OF THE SUN
#2 TAKE A DESCENT CAM 3mb more TAKE SAME PICTURE OF THE SUN

COMPARE ........NO BLACK DOT !!! COME ON HUMAN ! THIS IS JUST CHEAP CAM EFFECT NOTHING MORE
I.E. its a phony 

(April 7, 2015 at 2:54 am)yukapuka Wrote:

(April 7, 2015 at 2:48 am)Iroscato Wrote: Tell you what sweetie, I'll watch the videos if you promise to at least read some science books. I actually think that sounds like a fair deal, don't you?
A simple explanation if the videos are these things we like to call 'fakes'. Trouble with Youtube is, it's terribly unreliable for things like this, and I'm fairly certain I could achieve a very similar looking video if you gave me a little while on some basic editing software.
So hundreds of thousands of people saw this unprecedented clestial event did they? Tell me, where are these hundreds of thousands at the moment? Why have they not swarmed the media in their multitudes, armed with thousands of different videos of the exact same event, taken from different angles and all corroborating their story?
I bet your sweet naive arse THAT would convert a few unbelievers!

actually you will find that there is many recordings of this on youtube from camera phones etc and if you are totally convinced that it is false, make a trip down to medjugorje in bosnia and hercegovina and see it for your self 
also if you think the healer is fake, go and see him yourself in person and see how he heals people and then tell him he is fake in his face 

Yes, on Youtube. Not being broadcast by the media across every station, screaming at how amazing this event was. Or are you going to suggest the GRAND ATHEIST CONSPIRACY is responsible for silencing that one as well?

Also, am I to take it that you won't be reading those books I recommended? You're in danger of hurting my feelings here, big boy :/

(April 7, 2015 at 2:59 am)Iroscato Wrote:

(April 7, 2015 at 2:54 am)yukapuka Wrote: actually you will find that there is many recordings of this on youtube from camera phones etc and if you are totally convinced that it is false, make a trip down to medjugorje in bosnia and hercegovina and see it for your self 
also if you think the healer is fake, go and see him yourself in person and see how he heals people and then tell him he is fake in his face 

Yes, on Youtube. Not being broadcast by the media across every station, screaming at how amazing this event was. Or are you going to suggest the GRAND ATHEIST CONSPIRACY is responsible for silencing that one as well?

Also, am I to take it that you won't be reading those books I recommended? You're in danger of hurting my feelings here, big boy :/

You gotta toughen that skin up on these forums.