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April 7, 2015 at 3:11 am
Not to mention with the 'healer' vid, the woman probably started vomiting because someone suffering from severe psoriasis absolutely should not be running around. Placebo effect + violent physical exercise = body going into shock and throwing up, among other things.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
April 7, 2015 at 3:40 am
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I got a quick question.
Why can't God do whatever plan he is doing without giving AIDS to babies and having them die a hideous death? I would say that is "logically possible". If he can't stop it, he's not anywhere close to being a god. If he can but he insists on it, he's a monster. These children are not learning anything, they're not being tested, they're being tortured and killed.
I tell you what I think is going on. Theists want there to be a god. However, the reality before them is clearly incompatible with a god that isn't evil. So they come up with these ridiculous arbitrary rules that God has to "work around" in order to still be really good. And those arbitrary rules just happen to result in exactly the horrible state of affairs the world is in. Or else they blame us. The God is so petty, vengeful and angry that he beats the shit out of us while blaming it on our shortcomings that he is responsible for. He "has" to give us free will involving bad choices, knowing we will make those bad choices. For some reason he can't just let us have multiple good choices that don't harm anyone.
It's a ludicrous cop out. If a caring god was in charge, the world would not be like this. If you have to pretend there is somehow all these bullshit restrictions on what he can do, and these restrictions just happened to be there for no apparent reason, you're simply making up whatever you need to tell yourself to reconcile a loving God with a suffering world.
You're reducing god's powers and his intents to be in line with him not existing at all, so his effects are indistinguishable from nothing, so he can't be proved to not exist and you can carry on believing.
In other words, it's a fantasy you won't let go of, you work in whatever details you have to in order to keep it going. And when science finds out yet more stuff, you'll arbitrarily work that into the story too I'm sure.
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April 7, 2015 at 4:03 am
(April 7, 2015 at 12:45 am)yukapuka Wrote: (April 7, 2015 at 12:16 am)Minimalist Wrote: Probably about time to insist that you provide evidence for whatever god you have dreamed up for yourself.
I imagine it will be the same old shit we usually get.
what kind of evidence do you want? you want God to speak to you directly? to show you some miracle? to manifest things in front of you?
1. I'd like to see absolute evidence.
2. Yes.
3. A miracle that HE performs in front of people - not through some false tv messenger.
4. Yes.
Manifest something tangible, god. Show us your existence by any of the means requested. Five minutes is all I ask. Just five. Hell I'll even settle for three minutes.
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April 7, 2015 at 9:28 am
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(April 7, 2015 at 4:03 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: (April 7, 2015 at 12:45 am)yukapuka Wrote: what kind of evidence do you want? you want God to speak to you directly? to show you some miracle? to manifest things in front of you?
1. I'd like to see absolute evidence.
2. Yes.
3. A miracle that HE performs in front of people - not through some false tv messenger.
4. Yes.
Manifest something tangible, god. Show us your existence by any of the means requested. Five minutes is all I ask. Just five. Hell I'll even settle for three minutes. the kind of evidence you seek will be given to you when you die, but my Lord that will be too late and you wil be regretting that you didnt use this time to work towards God and entering Heaven
belief in God does require faith, however its not like you stay with faith all your life and never move from there, you have to first have faith and then God will come to you and address you and help you, but you have to show Him you are serious and have blind faith
you have ot also understand that this life isnt heaven, we are here to be tested not to enjoy life, those that enjoy life is like those that go to dinner have the entree and leave, they never get to taste the main course
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April 7, 2015 at 9:29 am
(April 7, 2015 at 9:28 am)yukapuka Wrote: the kind of evidence you seek will be given to you when you die,
So you're asking us to believe based on no evidence.
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April 7, 2015 at 10:01 am
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If there is no evidence, I cannot believe. I literally cannot. It's not a choice. So it's not possible for me to "have faith", in order for God to then do whatever magic tricks and help me. I can only pretend that I believe, which I imagine isn't going to fool an omniscient being.
And assuming God designed me, it's a weird design decision regarding this belief bit.
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April 7, 2015 at 10:54 am
(April 7, 2015 at 10:01 am)robvalue Wrote: If there is no evidence, I cannot believe. I literally cannot. It's not a choice. So it's not possible for me to "have faith", in order for God to then do whatever magic tricks and help me. I can only pretend that I believe, which I imagine isn't going to fool an omniscient being.
And assuming God designed me, it's a weird design decision regarding this belief bit.
If I was "made in god's image, he's an ugly bastard.
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April 7, 2015 at 11:03 am
(April 7, 2015 at 9:28 am)yukapuka Wrote: (April 7, 2015 at 4:03 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: 1. I'd like to see absolute evidence.
2. Yes.
3. A miracle that HE performs in front of people - not through some false tv messenger.
4. Yes.
Manifest something tangible, god. Show us your existence by any of the means requested. Five minutes is all I ask. Just five. Hell I'll even settle for three minutes. the kind of evidence you seek will be given to you when you die, but my Lord that will be too late and you wil be regretting that you didnt use this time to work towards God and entering Heaven
belief in God does require faith, however its not like you stay with faith all your life and never move from there, you have to first have faith and then God will come to you and address you and help you, but you have to show Him you are serious and have blind faith
you have ot also understand that this life isnt heaven, we are here to be tested not to enjoy life, those that enjoy life is like those that go to dinner have the entree and leave, they never get to taste the main course
Please... yeah right there is literally nothing after death when you are dead you are dead there is nothing there. I wen't over this if god existed he too would be limited in power
because infinite power doesn't exist. So god is limited in power, oh he created heaven, Hell, Earth and everything in the universe and the universe itself. Well one thing that destroys this whole argument about biblical bullshit is energy conservation so no no you will not be going to a heaven or a hell.
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April 7, 2015 at 11:30 am
(April 7, 2015 at 9:28 am)yukapuka Wrote: (April 7, 2015 at 4:03 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: 1. I'd like to see absolute evidence.
2. Yes.
3. A miracle that HE performs in front of people - not through some false tv messenger.
4. Yes.
Manifest something tangible, god. Show us your existence by any of the means requested. Five minutes is all I ask. Just five. Hell I'll even settle for three minutes. the kind of evidence you seek will be given to you when you die, but my Lord that will be too late and you wil be regretting that you didnt use this time to work towards God and entering Heaven
belief in God does require faith, however its not like you stay with faith all your life and never move from there, you have to first have faith and then God will come to you and address you and help you, but you have to show Him you are serious and have blind faith
you have ot also understand that this life isnt heaven, we are here to be tested not to enjoy life, those that enjoy life is like those that go to dinner have the entree and leave, they never get to taste the main course
believing in God wont do you any harm, if you want to prove to yourself as if God doesnt exist, then for some time 2 months try belief and faith, and see where it takes you
try to live as a believer and if you get nothing then you at least have an excuse before God that you tried and God didnt respond to you
however i am 100% you will get a response from God, just give it time 2 months at least
you wont lose anything, its not like your lifestyle or life has to change, just try to live "believing" even if it is superficial , because as long as you DO indeed make some effort He will respond that is His promise, no matter how small that effort is , but the response will be noticeable
try it the same way u try a new food or new dish or new recreation and see how you go, you got nothing to lose and certainty to gain
you dont have to give any money , or even tell anyone, just between you and God say "here i am guide me please" and wait for His response but live life as if you believe so tell yourself you believe even if you dont
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April 7, 2015 at 11:33 am
You..do understand the large majority of us used to be theists, right? We believed in God at one point, for more than two months by the way.
And your advice is simply lying to yourself (and God). If you Quote:live life as if you believe so tell yourself you believe even if you dont
then you're being dishonest.
We don't want your get-out-of-jail-free card tactics bullshit, we're asking you for evidence, not "try this at home" DIY fake-belief-in-god Pascal's wager horsecrap.
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