Egalitarianism is simply a more general label than feminism, LGBT, black rights, etc. Saying egalitarianism is better is like saying Food is better than pizza. It's just stupid. Do you feel that threatened by the fact there's groups of (mostly) women advocating rights and trying to fix issues? Does it bother your enlightened conscience that, let's say, some women dislike being sexually harassed, blamed for rape or having to conform to a culture that mostly values their beauty and incites them to spend enormous amounts of money on it?

Quote:3rd Wave feminism isn't even about gender equality, so don't even pretend it is, you're vastly ignorant of the feminism that goes on in these types of forums like tumblr, twitter or freethoughtblogs etc. It's a dogma infested cesspool.

I don't even use social networks, buddy, the internet is a terrible example of what goes on in the world because you get to see the extreme side of all spectrums. You shouldn't trust the internet's people to dictate how you see a movement.

Feminism is a subset of egalitarianism...just like pro-african american (or any minority), pro-LGBT, pro-handicapped, pro-class equality, etc etc. Those terms aren't exclusive, and they serve to focus a conversation or one's personality to issues about which one is passionate.

(April 20, 2015 at 1:21 pm)Godslayer Wrote:

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(April 20, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Pizza Wrote: I can't remember but didn't Thunderfoot get kicked off freethought blogs because he disagree with their sexual harassment rules and then he became disruptive?

Name the thing he did that got him banned...this should be precious...

Read and decide for yourself. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t...ught_Blogs

(April 20, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Egalitarianism is simply a more general label than feminism, LGBT, black rights, etc. Saying egalitarianism is better is like saying Food is better than pizza. It's just stupid. Do you feel that threatened by the fact there's groups of (mostly) women advocating rights and trying to fix issues? Does it bother your enlightened conscience that, let's say, some women dislike being sexually harassed, blamed for rape or having to conform to a culture that mostly values their beauty and incites them to spend enormous amounts of money on it?

Egalitarianism is a more inclusive label, unlike modern feminism, which focuses on females, and if you deny that, you're simply denying reality. If feminists were actually fighting for oppresssed women in the middle east or actual oppressed women in the world (which they ignore) they'd have my support, but they'd rather cry about videos games that plenty of women like and don't find sexist, ya know?

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(April 20, 2015 at 1:30 pm)Pizza Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:21 pm)Godslayer Wrote:

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Name the thing he did that got him banned...this should be precious...

Read and decide for yourself. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t...ught_Blogs

You seriously sourced this wiki page? wow...completely unbiased right?

(April 20, 2015 at 1:32 pm)Godslayer Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Egalitarianism is simply a more general label than feminism, LGBT, black rights, etc. Saying egalitarianism is better is like saying Food is better than pizza. It's just stupid. Do you feel that threatened by the fact there's groups of (mostly) women advocating rights and trying to fix issues? Does it bother your enlightened conscience that, let's say, some women dislike being sexually harassed, blamed for rape or having to conform to a culture that mostly values their beauty and incites them to spend enormous amounts of money on it?

Egalitarianism is a more inclusive label, unlike modern feminism, which focuses on females, and if you deny that, you're simply denying reality. If feminists were actually fighting for oppresssed women in the middle east or actual oppressed women in the world (which they ignore) they'd have my support, but they're rather cry about videos games that plenty of women like and don't find sexist, ya kno

The old 'others have it worse so shut up' argument. You do realize that people can both support womens' rights in the middle east and concentrate on domestic issues?
While I disagree with a lot of the stuff that comes out of PZ Meyers and his circles, even considering some of it inane and useless, your response is just...just vapid really.

And I don't know what kind of feminists you hang out with (if any), but the feminists I enjoy don't 'only focus on females'. All the shit MRA's like to complain about as persecution against men (mother being the default guardian in divorces, only men being able to serve in combat roles, etc) are things that the feminists I know are against as well.

(April 20, 2015 at 1:29 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Feminism is a subset of egalitarianism...just like pro-african american (or any minority), pro-LGBT, pro-handicapped, pro-class equality, etc etc.  Those terms aren't exclusive, and they serve to focus a conversation or one's personality to issues about which one is passionate.

Feminism isn't necessary for Egalitarianism, so this is nonsense, but thanks for playing.

Why the hell shouldn't if focus on females? Are you seriously that obsessed that you believe feminism should care about an isolated male like you? Curiously modern feminism does something previous waves didn't do - It focuses on the rights of not just white women but other races and transgender people.
What middle east? Is it Israel? Is it just Saudi? The middle east is really large to make definitive statements. Israel sends women to serve in the army so I don't think they believe women are inferior. You have to be precise, you can't just spout bullshit as if the middle east was a country.
What about videogames? Do you honestly believe all feminists are equally concerned about games? Do you also think that bigger problems undermine minor ones? Also, why is it relevant and should anybody care about your "I think it should be like this because I'm right" opinion?
Since we already covered repeatedly your weak argumentative rhetoric based on "AFRICA IS WORSE" and "I don't think this is a problem because my opinion as a male who never lived as a woman matters more" can you honestly tell me why should anyone care about your little pieces of information?

Quote:You seriously sourced this wiki page? wow...completely unbiased right?

So what? Either refute or not. Saying it is biased is irrelevant beacuse nothing or no one is 100% impartial. Fox News is biased, but so are left wing newspapers. Everyone is biased. What matters is the info contained

(April 20, 2015 at 1:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 1:32 pm)Godslayer Wrote: Egalitarianism is a more inclusive label, unlike modern feminism, which focuses on females, and if you deny that, you're simply denying reality. If feminists were actually fighting for oppresssed women in the middle east or actual oppressed women in the world (which they ignore) they'd have my support, but they're rather cry about videos games that plenty of women like and don't find sexist, ya kno

The old 'others have it worse so shut up' argument.  You do realize that people can both support womens' rights in the middle east and concentrate on domestic issues?  
While I disagree with a lot of the stuff that comes out of PZ Meyers and his circles, even considering some of it inane and useless, your response is just...just vapid really.

That's not my argument at all, more gibberish. The point is, these 3rd waver feminists dwell on shit like video games while women are actually oppressed in the world, like the middle east, but what do these so-called social justice warriors do for the women there? nothing,they will advocate their culture over their misogynistic practices.

If you are so concerned why the fuck are you here instead of giving money to organizations that support ending sexism in the middle east? In fact, why don't you go there and help people?

BTW, do you know that there's feminist women there fighting and being killed for equality, right? It's not really a monolithic. What do you mean with the middle east exactly? What latitude and longitude do you even use to define the middle east?

(April 20, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Why the hell shouldn't if focus on females? Are you seriously that obsessed that you believe feminism should care about an isolated male like you? Curiously modern feminism does something previous waves didn't do - It focuses on the rights of not just white women but other races and transgender people.
What middle east? Is it Israel? Is it just Saudi? The middle east is really large to make definitive statements. Israel sends women to serve in the army so I don't think they believe women are inferior. You have to be precise, you can't just spout bullshit as if the middle east was a country.
What about videogames? Do you honestly believe all feminists are equally concerned about games? Do you also think that bigger problems undermine minor ones? Also, why is it relevant and should anybody care about your "I think it should be like this because I'm right" opinion?
Since we already covered repeatedly your weak argumentative rhetoric based on "AFRICA IS WORSE" and "I don't think this is a problem because my opinion as a male who never lived as a woman matters more" can you honestly tell me why should anyone care about your little pieces of information?

Quote:You seriously sourced this wiki page? wow...completely unbiased right?

So what? Either refute or not. Saying it is biased is irrelevant beacuse nothing or no one is 100% impartial. Fox News is biased, but so are left wing newspapers. Everyone is biased. What matters is the info contained

No, what your dense brain won't comprehend is, why don't we advocate for human rights (egalitarianism) over the singular pursuit of just women (feminism) when that has been squashed in the western world. Women have it great in the western world, so it's time to move onto th rest of the women who are actually oppressed.