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Deconversion
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I would like to deconvert, but I don't feel like I can unless it is thoroughly disproved and there are benefits that come with deconverting. I don't mind long, complex responses. As long as you don't call me stupid, it's all good.
I have tried before and come back to religion. How can I STAY an unbeliever once I've deconverted?  RE: Deconversion
April 27, 2015 at 3:01 am
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2015 at 3:25 am by Alex K.)
How can converting be a choice like you make it sound? Either you believe it or you don't. Making it work and weighing benefits has nothing to do with it, it's not like switching from Toyota to Chevy. If you sometimes fall inti the believer category, then that's just the way it is - so what, there are more important things to worry about.
But pray tell : why do you want to remain an unbeliever? If you can answer that question you might be a step further.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  RE: Deconversion
April 27, 2015 at 4:17 am
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2015 at 4:18 am by Red Economist.)
(April 27, 2015 at 2:57 am)themc Wrote: I would like to deconvert, but I don't feel like I can unless it is thoroughly disproved and there are benefits that come with deconverting. I don't mind long, complex responses. As long as you don't call me stupid, it's all good. I think you need to think of deconversion as a 'positive' process of discovering and creating new values without religion. Nihilism and existential angst are problems of atheism but not inevitably so if you look at humanistic authors (Erich Fromm is a personal favorite). If you think of atheism as a personal journey rather than a destination and as a means to self-realization and liberation from religious ethics, you will probably go further than simply wanting to disprove god. It's about recognizing that you want to be free rather than being right as the latter implies that you are still afraid of a higher power judging you based on what they think is right. the easiest way to stay an atheist is to enjoy it. 
 (April 27, 2015 at 2:57 am)themc Wrote: I would like to deconvert, but I don't feel like I can unless it is thoroughly disproved and there are benefits that come with deconverting. I don't mind long, complex responses. As long as you don't call me stupid, it's all good. You can stay an unbeliever if you are concerned about the reality of the world, instead of the "truth" that can be found in some old tome. Even if that reality overrides your own wishful thinking... even if that reality doesn't care about the fate of any single individual... even if the world is what it is. How can you believe in any mythology, if you are fully aware of their humble man-made origins? OH, you're not aware of the origin of most mythologies? Or better, you're only aware of the version that each mythology tells? how convenient for them, huh? How about the part where those different origins are incoherent? Which to accept, then? The one you've been told to accept all your life, simply due to being born in one particular place in the world? Doesn't sound like a valid reason, to me... but who am I? Just some random internet stranger...  RE: Deconversion
April 27, 2015 at 5:39 am
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2015 at 5:50 am by robvalue.)
I agree with Rob.
From all the research I have done in the small amount of time that I have identified as an Atheist, it is clear to me that there is absolutely no logical reason to believe that any god (or gods) exist. From what I am getting from your predicament and your post, perhaps taking a more agnostic approach would benefit you. That way, you would never go so far as to claiming that god doesn't exist, since being an agnostic atheist means you don't believe in any god, but you cannot prove for or against the existence of god. I also suggest reading Rob's wix. I just recently read all of the articles and information that it offers and was able to find exactly what I am as well as the best way to deal with it all. Merely a suggestion. You can find the link in Rob's signature, located directly above this post. RE: Deconversion
April 27, 2015 at 4:28 pm
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2015 at 4:31 pm by robvalue.)
Wow, thank you Jericho! That really made my day
Much appreciated. I'm really happy it was helpful to you.  RE: Deconversion
April 27, 2015 at 4:30 pm
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2015 at 4:34 pm by Minimalist.)
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