(July 3, 2015 at 8:09 pm)answer-is-42 Wrote: @Cato it has nothing to do with the mother. This is about the fetus outside the mother
@napolean you are a miserable excuse for a human being. Wishing ill on someone who merely expressed a differing opinion is pathetic and vile. I hope others share in my disgust
@snakeoil. The question of finances is Germaine depending on your stance on healthcare as a moral right. In developing countries it is very common to only provide healthcare after payment, however in the USA emergency healthcare is a right and you must be treated and stabilized regardless of your ability to pay. If you take the stance that health care is only for those who can pay then you arguement is consistent, if not then you will need a better arguement

Do you really think I'm arguing the finances of birth?!? How much does it cost to raise a child in today's 'Murrika?!? How much help is the mother gonna get from you do gooding right to lifers?!? Even that term is misleading because the right to life crowd has absolutely zero fucks to give about children, once they're born. They only care about trampling the rights of the mother to make sure there is a birth.

As far as finding other arguments, if you can read you'll already understand that I have.

(July 3, 2015 at 7:06 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I'll probably regret getting involved in this but here goes.

I don't think that you are using the term "abortion" correctly to make your point. The act of performing an abortion by trained staff (medical or surgical) ensures that the fetus is not viable (dead) at the time of exit from the cervix/womb. I'd think an MD would know that.

If you are discussing preterm delivery, where abortive steps have not been taken, and the fetus has been delivered alive, and there are medical staff present that have the ability and facilities to sustain life and did not make the attempt then you need to report those instances to your attorney general. See Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002. If you are referring to the Kermit Gosnell case (the only one I know of, if there are others please let me know) he is considered a rouge and was convicted of murder.

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2013/0...abortions/

Do you have any documented instances of your left to die or intentionally killed scenario? Or are you just stirring the pot?

You are right in th sense that the goal of abortion is to ensure termination of the fetus and there for current techniques ensure termination (duh) however as I said earlier why could you but not instead insisted on preterm delivery and attempt at survival. That was my point. If the only question is the mothers bodily autonomy then take that out of the equation. If the question is the mother does not want this child in the world for whatever reason then that is a different question isn't it? Once the fetus is out of the body what right does she have to determine if it lives or dies and even if it is her why does she get to decide that it dies instead of is delivere? If a woman decides at 36 weeks she does not want a child (long past the point of viability) and had a procedure performed that kills the fetus in utero has she committed a crime? If so then why is it different at 20 weeks if the fetus is potentially viable? Why not deliver the child in both situations ? If it can be supported medically then it lives if not it doesn't but it is given a chance. Who cares if the mother wants it to live if the crux of the arguement is bodily autonomy

I don't believe for a fraction of a millisecond you are a doctor.

(July 3, 2015 at 7:57 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Please do not refer to as Christ like as to not denture any.

Jesus had false teeth? Who knew?

(July 3, 2015 at 8:20 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: I don't believe for a fraction of a millisecond you are a doctor.

Yeah, I'd like to see some evidence of that claim.

(July 3, 2015 at 7:57 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: However empathy affects good decision making skills.

What the fuck? Empathy is what prevents me from relentlessly fucking one of your nostrils.

(July 3, 2015 at 8:26 pm)Cato Wrote:

(July 3, 2015 at 7:57 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Please do not refer to as Christ like as to not denture any.

Jesus had false teeth? Who knew?

Lol detour

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(July 3, 2015 at 8:28 pm)Cato Wrote:

(July 3, 2015 at 7:57 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: However empathy affects good decision making skills.

What the fuck? Empathy is what prevents me from relentlessly fucking one of your nostrils.

Do what you feel you must. May God help you.

(July 3, 2015 at 8:09 pm)answer-is-42 Wrote: @Cato it has nothing to do with the mother. This is about the fetus outside the mother

As if the mother had nothing to do with the fetus' new found geography. You still haven't addressed my initial reply regarding fetus viability relative to length of gestation.

@rex I don't care what you do or don't believe about me. I am not giving an arguement from authority, I'm merely presenting my credentials to refute someone who did not have a firm grasp on embryology. However my facts stand on their own merit, try to address those rahter then an unfounded ad-homin attack.

(July 3, 2015 at 8:28 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote:

(July 3, 2015 at 8:26 pm)Cato Wrote: Jesus had false teeth? Who knew?

Lol detour

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(July 3, 2015 at 8:28 pm)Cato Wrote: What the fuck? Empathy is what prevents me from relentlessly fucking one of your nostrils.

Do what you feel you must. May God help you.

God will help me fuck one of your nostrils? That's awesome!