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J.J. Thompson's Violinist Thought Experiment Concerning Abortion
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J.J. Thompson's Violinist Thought Experiment Concerning Abortion




So what do you think? Does this thought experiment accurately reflect any moral dilemma involved in abortion? Why or why not?
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RE: J.J. Thompson's Violinist Thought Experiment Concerning Abortion
It another Kobayashi Maru. No winners either way.
It's a little unfair to compare the 2 scenarios imo because a women knows when she risks getting pregnant. "As opposed to "taken randomly in a hospital against your wishes".

My philosophy is that life is precious, but the opportunity for happiness in life is even more important. Otherwise what's the point of "living".
I don't subscribe to religious bullshit where life is a struggle and a test.
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RE: J.J. Thompson's Violinist Thought Experiment Concerning Abortion
Quote:It another Kobayashi Maru. No winners either way.
It's a little unfair to compare the 2 scenarios imo because a women knows when she risks getting pregnant. "As opposed to "taken randomly in a hospital against your wishes".
The risk of pregnancy is irrelevant after it's happened. To keep a woman in that state against her will is no different than forcing her to be connected to the violinist. How they got to point of coercion is secondary to coercion itself.
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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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RE: J.J. Thompson's Violinist Thought Experiment Concerning Abortion
Even if the person willingly attaches themselves to the violinist originally, there is still an absolute right to disconnect.
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RE: J.J. Thompson's Violinist Thought Experiment Concerning Abortion
I don't think that any dependent argument is anything other than straw, and don't personally believe in a right to choice. I don't see how things can ever be governed...any other way, still.

We make a terrible choice for personal freedom against life, for good reason, but it's still a bad choice.
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(December 27, 2021 at 11:19 pm)ignoramus Wrote: It another Kobayashi Maru. No winners either way.
It's a little unfair to compare the 2 scenarios imo because a women knows when she risks getting pregnant. "As opposed to "taken randomly in a hospital against your wishes".

My philosophy is that life is precious, but the opportunity for happiness in life is even more important. Otherwise what's the point of "living".
I don't subscribe to religious bullshit where life is a struggle and a test.

Might you feel differently about ‘a woman knows when she risks getting pregnant’ if pregnancy-via-rape was added to the thought experiment?

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I have no lines in the Play: Other People's Bodies.
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I only consider fiddlers persons, unplug me now.
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RE: J.J. Thompson's Violinist Thought Experiment Concerning Abortion
There is a difference between processes that proceed naturally, gestation, and those that must be sustained artificially, outside medical intervention. This distinction would be relevant for end of life problems too. Also, the mother-child relationship feels essentially different from that of two random people. Why does the prestige of the dependant matter? Not taking a stand on the issue just trying to consider all the angles on the thought problem.
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RE: J.J. Thompson's Violinist Thought Experiment Concerning Abortion
Quote:There is a difference between processes that proceed naturally, gestation, and those that must be sustained artificially, outside medical intervention. This distinction would be relevant for end of life problems too. Also, the mother-child relationship feels essentially different from that of two random people. Why does the prestige of the dependant matter? Not taking a stand on the issue just trying to consider all the angles on the thought problem.
The only relevant issue is coercion everything else you just wrote here is nitpicking  Dodgy
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

[Image: flag-ukraine_1f1fa-1f1e6.png]  Heart [Image: canada-google.png]        

 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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