(July 16, 2015 at 8:02 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 16, 2015 at 7:57 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: The Divinity of Jesus Christ Proved from Scripture

I. Did Jesus claim to be God?

1. Jesus claimed the Divine Name (‘I AM’)

And here we go again. Bible proves bible. You simply don't get it that it's a credible to us as Harry Potter proving Harry Potter's existence.

Incorrect. This is not a circular argument. I'm simply pointing to a set of books that contain the teaching of Jesus of Nazareth that were written down within a few years of his death. Professional scholars recognize that these books have significant historical value. And these books indicate that Jesus claimed to be divine.

What ancient evidence do you offer to support the assertion that Jesus did NOT claim to be God?

Personal opinion proves nothing.

(July 16, 2015 at 8:04 pm)Jenny A Wrote: I think she already knows you think Jesus was divine.  You already know that I don't consider the words written in the bible to be all that historically accurate particularly not John, Exodus, Isaiah, or Revelations.

Jesus' claims to be divine are multiply attested by a variety of sources - sources accepted as historically significant by trained professional scholars. And note that I make the distinction between his claims and the reality. That he IS God must be proved. We're only talking about what He claimed.

What evidence do you have to support your view that he did not make the claim?

When one ficticious character claims to be another ficticious character!

That sounds legit, sure, why not?

(July 16, 2015 at 8:05 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(July 16, 2015 at 11:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Do you guys believe that Mohammad, Cleopatra, Aristotle were real people?

You know, this kind of question really does betray your own ignorance.

What is a question like this supposed to imply? The answer to such a question should be pretty obvious to any person who has done the least possible amount of research besides none at all IMO. But when a question like this is asked it only serves to muddy the waters between actual historical figures that have multitudes of evidence for their existence, and religious figures who have barely any at all besides the testimony of their respective religions.

“As a historian, I think evidence matters. And the past matters. And for anyone to whom both evidence and the past matter, a dispassionate consideration of the case makes it quite plain: Jesus did exist. He may not have been the Jesus that you mother believes in or the Jesus of the stain-glass window or the Jesus of your least favorite televangelist or the Jesus proclaimed by the Vatican, the Southern Baptist Convention, the local megachurch, or the California Gnostic. But he did exist, and we can say a few things with relative certainty about him.” (Ehrman, Bart, Did Jesus Exist?, 5-6.)

(July 15, 2015 at 6:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Worrrrrrd to the heathens!!  

So, do you think Jesus was a real person? I'm not asking if you think Jesus was divine, or if He performed miracles, or if He was crucified, died, and came back.

I'm simply asking if you think there was a man 2000ish years ago named Jesus who brought forth these new "ideas" that we now call Christianity.

His people wouldn't be able to resurrect him if he weren't a real person.  

Speaking of him, look what I found.  

Randy Carson
Jesus did exist.

Me: A claim without evidence does not make it true.

(July 16, 2015 at 8:05 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(July 16, 2015 at 11:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Do you guys believe that Mohammad, Cleopatra, Aristotle were real people?

You know, this kind of question really does betray your own ignorance.

What is a question like this supposed to imply? The answer to such a question should be pretty obvious to any person who has done the least possible amount of research besides none at all IMO. But when a question like this is asked it only serves to muddy the waters between actual historical figures that have multitudes of evidence for their existence, and religious figures who have barely any at all besides the testimony of their respective religions.

Thanks, facebook friend.

(July 16, 2015 at 8:23 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(July 16, 2015 at 8:04 pm)Jenny A Wrote: I think she already knows you think Jesus was divine.  You already know that I don't consider the words written in the bible to be all that historically accurate particularly not John, Exodus, Isaiah, or Revelations.

Jesus' claims to be divine are multiply attested by a variety of sources - sources accepted as historically significant by trained professional scholars. And note that I make the distinction between his claims and the reality. That he IS God must be proved. We're only talking about what He claimed.

What evidence do you have to support your view that he did not make the claim?

We don't really know what he claimed.  Full stop.  Because we don't.  Our sources are way too long after him to know that.  But since the earlier the gospel the less Jesus claims godhood (does he claim it all in Mark?) I would guess that he made no such claim.

Wow, when did this huge thread immerge. Must have been while I was finishing off the bathroom. (Ta dah!)

Well my casual opinion is that there probably was someone to whom those stories are attributed. Naturally I doubt all the stories of miracles as well as any attribution of divinity. More importantly, if what the stories mean is true, then I doubt if any denomination of Christianity understands his message. On the other hand I'm very sure he would have approved of the way you conduct yourself, except in the bedroom.

(July 16, 2015 at 8:02 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 16, 2015 at 7:57 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: The Divinity of Jesus Christ Proved from Scripture

I. Did Jesus claim to be God?

1. Jesus claimed the Divine Name (‘I AM’)

And here we go again. Bible proves bible. You simply don't get it that it's a credible to us as Harry Potter proving Harry Potter's existence.

You have that wrong.  There are many Harry Potter books, not just one.  The second one confirms the first, as it indicates Harry Potter at a particular point in his life.  Plus, doesn't each book reference things that happened earlier, so that each is a confirmation of the previous books.  How can you doubt the reality of Harry Potter?  The evidence is right there in the text, just like the Bible and Church records prove the reality of the earlier claims.  Harry Potter is real.  Or at least as real as Jesus as described in the Bible.