BEASTIALITY

[*Deidre*]

Why is it wrong, according to your faith?

Because of sexual morality. 

The short answer is we believe sex is meant to be an act of self giving love between a man and a woman who have vowed to be together for life. The farther away you take sex outside of this context, the more distorted and wrong it becomes. So while I still think it's wrong to have sex with your significant other before you're married, it's even more wrong to have a one night stand with someone you don't really care about, and even more wrong than that is to have it with someone you just paid to do it with. 

And on an entirely other level, it's wrong to do it with an animal because it's not even with a person. That's about as far away as you can get from taking sex outside its intended context, and so it's perverse and sick, and we all know that in our guts. 

And of course, if it brings any sort of physical or emotional harm to the animals, it's wrong because of that too. But even if it doesn't harm the animal, it's still wrong because of sexual morality. That's how we see it anyway.

Marriage was actually ''invented'' before Christianity came to be. Before any form of religion came to be, actually. That's what bugs me about Catholicism in particular, it takes a concept and puts its stamp on it, pretending like it invented it. And then from that, comes all these moral codes that shame people into thinking that they are living lives 'unworthy' of god. Homosexuality comes to mind, where Catholicism states that is a disorder, and a sin. A mortal sin if it meets the three criteria. I don't think that homosexuality is immoral though, I also believe morality is largely subjective, but like beastiality, you and I can agree on it being 'wrong,' but not necessarily the reasons why it is wrong.  

Interesting thread, I must go to sleep now...but I will return. Thank you for your answers.

[Catholic_Lady]

lol Thena

Catholic_Lady, I grew up in the Catholic faith. I would be lying if I told you I still don't have 'issues' with the RCC. But, I'm evolving. lol That said, when I was a Catholic, I looked at atheism as a mysterious concept. It didn't make sense to me, and seemed so far off from what I believed. But, at the end of it all, we are very much alike. Most of us here wouldn't hurt others, simply because it'd be wrong to do. Now that I'm no longer religious, (and my path to atheism wasn't immediate) ...I see atheism in a vastly different light than when I was viewing it through the lens of Catholicism. Although, Pope Francis states that all atheists will go to heaven. That's so nice of him.

Haha. Well I have a few friends who are atheist, but we never talk about religion much. You are right, that at the end of the day, most people atheist or theist, are similar in the ways that matter most - we all think it's wrong to hurt others, whether physically, verbally, emotionally, etc. The differences are on things that don't matter as much in the grand scheme of things, and sometimes the differences are on how we came to the same conclusions. Those differences intrigue me and its fun to talk about if people can be civil and respectful of different views.

[Catholic_Lady]

Because of sexual morality. 

The short answer is we believe sex is meant to be an act of self giving love between a man and a woman who have vowed to be together for life. The farther away you take sex outside of this context, the more distorted and wrong it becomes. So while I still think it's wrong to have sex with your significant other before you're married, it's even more wrong to have a one night stand with someone you don't really care about, and even more wrong than that is to have it with someone you just paid to do it with. 

And on an entirely other level, it's wrong to do it with an animal because it's not even with a person. That's about as far away as you can get from taking sex outside its intended context, and so it's perverse and sick, and we all know that in our guts. 

And of course, if it brings any sort of physical or emotional harm to the animals, it's wrong because of that too. But even if it doesn't harm the animal, it's still wrong because of sexual morality. That's how we see it anyway.

Marriage was actually ''invented'' before Christianity came to be. Before any form of religion came to be, actually. That's what bugs me about Catholicism in particular, it takes a concept and puts its stamp on it, pretending like it invented it. And then from that, comes all these moral codes that shame people into thinking that they are living lives 'unworthy' of god. Homosexuality comes to mind, where Catholicism states that is a disorder, and a sin. A mortal sin if it meets the three criteria. I don't think that homosexuality is immoral though, I also believe morality is largely subjective, but like beastiality, you and I can agree on it being 'wrong,' but not necessarily the reasons why it is wrong.  

Interesting thread, I must go to sleep now...but I will return. Thank you for your answers.

Thanks for the good discussion! 

[robvalue]

Kingpin just got 5,000,000 robvalue points for running a rescue Thank you so much for the work you do to help animals It is a dream of mine to one day be able to run one.

@CL: You said you're not secular. This would mean you're against the separation of church and state. Is that the case? I suspect you may be mixing up atheism with secularism.

I think the objections have been pretty much covered already. Basically the human is taking advantage of the animal if they are starting or luring the animal into sexual things. We (should have) a responsibility to look after animals, and the fact that we understand what's going on a lot more than they do means they are relying on us. So just simply saying "no harm" is a misrepresentation of what is happening.

For the "Well what about [other things we do to animals]", that doesn't work on me at all because I disagree with all those things too. I try to give animals the same amount of respect as humans wherever possible, and I don't do (or pay others to do) anything to an animal I wouldn't do to a human, as far as is practically possible.

[Athene]

.......Cuing the semantics. Zooming in on phony shock and feigned outrage......and CUT. It's a wrap! Nice work, CL.

Lol, asking someone if they think incest should be legal is a different question from asking them if they engage in it. 

And asking someone to explain why they think bestiality is wrong, is a different question from asking if they're into it. 

It's not a matter of semantics at all. They are different questions, Thena. Also, I'm not sure how my post came across as me being in shock and outrage. I wasn't those things at all, and wasn't "pretending" to be, either.

I see that you're good at playing games, CL. Others on this forum  see it, as well....even more so after this gem of a thread. By all means, keep running your game and having faith that people won't have the good sense to know when they're being insulted....and watch the bottom drop out someday, sure as shit.

[Fake Messiah]

Hm I don't know how much bestiality is illegal since there are SEX FARMS where people can have sex with the animals. There is even a documentary about this called "Zoo" (2007) I haven't seen it but it is about the famous case in which some guy had sex with the horse whose dick killed him.

[ignoramus]

Hate the subject matter as much as the next person CL, but I don't believe you are posting for any other reason other than to see how we feel about it.
Since you're now a fun member of this forum and feel comfortable asking "unusual" questions.

I believe you knew we would all feel the same way (nothing to do with God, morality, etc), but like to hear the many varied responses of WHY we are against it.

Guys, has it occurred to you that CL asks "us" these questions, and not her Catholic friends. Because we have a more accurate grasp on the reality of any situation, because we see the world without any preconceived notions.

(CL, you didn't really except us to be heathenous critters, did you?) You wouldn't be spending so much of your time here if you thought of us as lowlifes, that's how I know CL is genuine.
Hey, I'm first in with the conspiracy theories, but this ain't one of 'em)
Lastly, CL, be careful what you ask for... Don't want to lose you again.

[robvalue]

I find it interesting that I generally find more moral consistently among atheists than I do among theists, when theists are the ones who push for objective morality.

Ironically, the "objective morality" as perceived is just the natural overlap due to our evolution, and religion actually perverts that morality with arbitrary rules. This leaves the atheists with less reasons to deviate.

This is just a very general trend, and just from my experience.

[Napoléon]

Guys, has it occurred to you that CL asks "us" these questions, and not her Catholic friends. Because we have a more accurate grasp on the reality of any situation, because we see the world without any preconceived notions.

If you think she asks these questions for this reason then you are seriously deluded IMHO. I think even CL herself would tell you she doesn't ask these questions for the reason you ponder. It would mean she'd be admitting atheists in general have a more accurate grasp of reality than Catholics.

If that's the case it begs more questions than it answers.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm not gonna lie -- I kinda stopped at peanut butter.

God, I love foodsex.