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Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
#11
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
(October 3, 2015 at 3:13 am)robvalue Wrote: What does "a reverse direction" mean please? Smile
Just a note. Not just "Reverse" but also in a normal manner.

By "Reverse", I mean that Evolution started with an originally fully furnished set of organic data, and diverged downwards into different species instead of developing from a single cell. I think this because there is a lack of strong support from the Scientific Community on Abiogensis and single cell theory and also because the evolution of a single cell to a multicellular organism is not testable in an environment using the Scientific method. Basically, everything either D-evolves or spreads out in diversity.

Example: Original being -> Horse, Zebra, Donkey, -> Russian Stallion, East African Zebra etc...

Not ape to human, but kind of like human to ape sorta stuff.
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#12
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
Erm... Are you saying fully formed life appeared out of nowhere? And then humans started turning into apes, and apes into...

Where did you get this idea from?
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#13
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
So, you like to just make shit up?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#14
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
(October 3, 2015 at 3:21 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(October 3, 2015 at 3:12 am)bambi_swag Wrote: Evolution is actually a VERY important in order to understand biology and I too don't understand why some Creationists fail to understand this. I think it's because we feel threatened or that's its an attack on God.

Though I disagree with the direction of Evolution (I think evolution it happens in a Reverse direction) even I can accept its theoretical potential in full and say honestly say only a wilfull tard would completely dismiss Evolution. The main point I disagree on really is abiogensis.

Evolution does not have a direction. tell me what you think evolution is and how it works because I think you may have the wrong end of the stick. Abiogenesis happened, we know this because there is life, how it happened is up for debate but science is working on it and making strides. You can't expect science to know everything NOW and make factual claims with incomplete information. We leave that to religion.
True it doesn't really have a direction. It's hard to explain what I mean. I know that Evolution can both increase and decrease Complexity. What I think I saying is that an organism's complexity is either decreasing or stabilizing and becoming more refined to an exclusively certain environment over time when it was originally an all-environment adapted organism.

What I know so far about Evolution: Organisms speciate and adapt to a certain environment through natural selection and increase diversity.
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RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
(October 3, 2015 at 3:21 am)bambi_swag Wrote:
(October 3, 2015 at 3:13 am)robvalue Wrote: What does "a reverse direction" mean please? Smile
Just a note. Not just "Reverse" but also in a normal manner.

By "Reverse", I mean that Evolution started with an originally fully furnished  set of organic data, and diverged downwards into different species instead of developing from a single cell. I think this because there is a lack of strong support from the Scientific Community on Abiogensis and single cell theory and also because the evolution of a single cell to a multicellular organism is not testable in an environment using the Scientific method. Basically, everything either D-evolves or spreads out in diversity.

Example: Original being -> Horse, Zebra, Donkey, -> Russian Stallion, East African Zebra etc...

Not ape to human, but kind of like human to ape sorta stuff.

Wow you need to read up on evolution particularly on the genetics side. Too much wrong here to address in one small post. For example Cod are more closely related to Giraffes than they are to Hag fish.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/by/fish



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#16
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
I seen that one coming, why I left it alone.  Big Grin
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#17
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
I agree science does not fully understand abiogenesis yet, but I hear it's getting very close.

Evolution is a totally different topic to abiogenesis though, so why would holes in the knowledge of the latter result in you ignoring all the knowledge in the former? Where did you get this "reverse" idea from? If I had to guess, it sounds like trying to shoehorn God into the equation and make the bible sound true.

By what process are you suggesting fully formed humans appeared out of nowhere?
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#18
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
(October 3, 2015 at 3:25 am)robvalue Wrote: Erm... Are you saying fully formed life appeared out of nowhere? And then humans started turning into apes, and apes into...

Where did you get this idea from?
lolol no not really. There is no evidence to suggest we turn to apes or that we formed out of nowhere. But I think given enough time, something like humans becoming more stupid and less complex might happen.

I'm bad at explaining things. So let me try again.

The real issue is abiogensis and single cell theory because there isn't enough support, evidence, or potential to be tested using the scientific method. So I am saying it's something else we don't know about and not necessarily life being Intelligently designed. (If that sounds like I'm throwing in my feelings and God in Science, by all means, ridicule and dismiss what I'm saying)

Since the past few centurries cancer rates and destruction of genetic information and is strongly increasing steadily and life is so much smaller and weaker as compared to the ancient and enormous fossils of the same species, so I really think all life is basically decaying over time.

This is quite Fringe and very people support this idea so I don't know.

Kill all hamsters.
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#19
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
I'm afraid I can't make any sense of that Smile
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#20
RE: Can you be an atheist and an I.D. advocate together?
(October 3, 2015 at 3:28 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(October 3, 2015 at 3:21 am)bambi_swag Wrote: Just a note. Not just "Reverse" but also in a normal manner.

By "Reverse", I mean that Evolution started with an originally fully furnished  set of organic data, and diverged downwards into different species instead of developing from a single cell. I think this because there is a lack of strong support from the Scientific Community on Abiogensis and single cell theory and also because the evolution of a single cell to a multicellular organism is not testable in an environment using the Scientific method. Basically, everything either D-evolves or spreads out in diversity.

Example: Original being -> Horse, Zebra, Donkey, -> Russian Stallion, East African Zebra etc...

Not ape to human, but kind of like human to ape sorta stuff.

Wow you need to read up on evolution particularly on the genetics side. Too much wrong here to address in one small post. For example Cod are more closely related to Giraffes than they are to Hag fish.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/by/fish
Wow I didn't know that.

You see, I know very little, I spend my day on my uncle's farm and I'm a religious character and my God feelings can subtly get in the way of my looks in Science into a big theistic bias. I know hardly anything about science so you might as well dismiss what I have to say about Evolution as I'm not qualified to speak on the topic.
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