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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:24 am
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Catholics are followers of Jesus and that makes them Christians.
In fact they are the biggest Christian group there is.
It's always hilarious when people say Catholics aren't Christians. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they the original Christians too?
I still think they're just as full of BS of course, but other forms of Christianity are no better.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:27 am
(October 8, 2015 at 11:18 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 11:03 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: Just re-read that.......who created us?
It was god wasn't it? Because, of course, he created everything. Now, how could a god so perfect and good make such a mistake as to make us bad, unless of course he did it on purpose?
Sounds like a bit of a cunt to me.
created us with free will
So, he did do it on purpose. He created a place where, according to the Bible, the vast majority of his creations will spend eternity in torturous, agonising pain...... because he is good?
Honestly, just think about it, for a second.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:30 am
Free will doesn't exist so if God exists he's a liar and a con artist (not to mention genocidal psychopathic sexual sadist).
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:36 am
(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Bible teaches that Hell is NOT separation from God
Its a place of...
flaming fire
smothering smoke
dismal darkness
screaming and wailing
everlasting chains
flesh-eating worms
no rest
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:46 am
(October 8, 2015 at 2:28 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 1:58 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Yes. You do. You must change almost everything about yourself. I know you think that it is simply acceptance of the gift which allows the "holy spirit" to work through you and change you from within, but the result is the same. You must accept a set of rules about what is/isn't acceptable behavior (sin), and dedicate yourself to service to the master.
The word for that is "submission", whether you like it or not.
Why can God not simply let me into heaven as I am, an honest, decent person who simply does not think the evidence provided by the Hebrew scripture-writers is good evidence, given that it conflicts in so many astoundingly-ignorant ways with the world I observe around me? (I saw your "from a rock" comment, and as a former evolutionary biologist, it made me nearly snort tea through my nose.) Why can God not simply let me die like all the other mammals, if I have failed to meet the standards required for heaven?
When you offer me a "free" gift, and the price of not accepting that gift is torture, it is not a free gift. It is a threat. It is a forcible compulsion. It is unworthy of any being that could ever deserve to be worshiped.
On the other hand, it makes total sense if you're a Broze Age tribal warrior priest who thinks that genocide against the tribe in the next valley is okay, that enslaving the survivors is okay, and that women are the property of men. That is not God. That is the selfishness of humans, and I reject all concepts that derive from that basis because I am a moral person.
I'll message you later. I have homework. Still no message about this. Lemme know when your homework is done.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:48 am
(October 7, 2015 at 11:45 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: You don't lose your free will if you go to heaven.
Given the choice between burning forever or living in peace forever, I think the sane person would choose the latter. A choice between life and eternal torment is not free will.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:49 am
(October 8, 2015 at 11:48 am)LostLocke Wrote: (October 7, 2015 at 11:45 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: You don't lose your free will if you go to heaven.
Given the choice between burning forever or living in peace forever, I think the sane person would choose the latter. A choice between life and eternal torment is not free will.
no you have a choice
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:51 am
(October 8, 2015 at 11:49 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 11:48 am)LostLocke Wrote: A choice between life and eternal torment is not free will.
no you have a choice
Is your money or your life a real choice? Seriously. That isn't a choice it's a threat.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:51 am
(October 8, 2015 at 11:49 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 11:48 am)LostLocke Wrote: A choice between life and eternal torment is not free will.
no you have a choice
No we don't.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 8, 2015 at 11:54 am
(October 8, 2015 at 11:49 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 8, 2015 at 11:48 am)LostLocke Wrote: A choice between life and eternal torment is not free will.
no you have a choice Here's an example...
Let's pretend you walk into a breakfast restaurant, and you have two choices: blueberry pancakes or strawberry crepes. That's free will.
If your choices are blueberry pancakes or a bullet to the head, that's not free will.
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