Legitimate women's rights issues

[Whateverist]

Wait black women aren't always horny? Then why is it that everyone of them has kids?


*Just kidding

All I know is they want to get eaten something fierce and have trouble getting a gentleman of color to do the deed.  Where as we old white guys consider it an honor to be asked to swab the kitchen.

[Athene]

I'm confused. Is this the Nigger Thread?
No?
Sorry. My bad.

[Regina]

Regarding the "race fetishization" thing, I think it depends.

I do tend to find myself attracted to darker features in general (olive skin, brown eyes, dark hair) and that leads me more towards people who aren't white, or are just darker white people. It's not really specific to one race though with me, that can apply to literally anyone. I think it only becomes a fetish when you limit it to one specific group, and you bring with it expectations based on stereotypes (which I never do).

But then I also think this; there's two people in every relationship. If the perceived "fetishized person" in the relationship was so unhappy there, they could leave any time they want to. I'm sure they're not being held there against their will. That's the main reason why I do side-eye this conversation about interracial relationships, especially when it seems like one person or race is getting the flak much harder than the other. It's easy too look at a white man/Asian woman and think of all the stereotypes of "oh he must have an Asian fetish", but does she look happy with him though? If so, it's not your business.

[paulpablo]

Coercive sterilization of disabled women.

Misogynoir in media.


The slut shaming and victim blaming of women in cases of rape/sexual assault.

Fetishization of WoC.

Online stalking.

The disrespect for female authority.

I think you're mistaking rights for things that you personally think would be nice if people stopped doing them.


For example if you think having a fetish for women of colour is an issue of female rights I'm logically going to assume (correct me if I'm wrong) that non white women should have a right to not be the subject of a sexual fetish.

But this would contradict current legal rights humans already have, freedom of thought (I have the right to think about and be in the mood to have sex with a black woman purely because she's black), freedom of speech (I have the right to tell people that I'm in the mood to have sex with a Chinese woman purely because she's Chinese as long as it doesn't break any laws of public disturbance or decency.)

I think the slut shaming and victim blaming in a rape trial on the other hand is a problem of women's rights, everyone has the right to a fair trial, and to wear the clothing they want to wear to a certain extent. 
On the other hand if members of the public think the girl was to blame because of the clothes she was wearing they have a right to voice that opinion and I'm guessing that would be what's referred to as slut shaming.

Your first example, yes that is a woman's rights issue completely.

[Regina]

^I agree, but "freedom of speech" doesn't absolve you from judgment or criticism. While I think people are silly for taking it to the Nth degree that they think things like fetishization and slut-shaming should be legal issues, I do support their right and equal free speech to call out what they percieve to be problematic behaviour. I feel like someone telling you it's distateful for saying you feel like fucking a Chinese woman is not invalidating your free speech, it's just a consequence of having free speech.

That's the responsibility that comes with free speech. Say what you want, how and when you want, but don't be shocked if there are social repurcussions. It's my free speech to go out into the street with a rubber glove on my head talking about "I'm a chicken!", but calling "free speech" can't stop the neighbours looking at me crazy.

[Dystopia]

Regarding the "race fetishization" thing, I think it depends.

I do tend to find myself attracted to darker features in general (olive skin, brown eyes, dark hair) and that leads me more towards people who aren't white, or are just darker white people. It's not really specific to one race though with me, that can apply to literally anyone. I think it only becomes a fetish when you limit it to one specific group, and you bring with it expectations based on stereotypes (which I never do).

But then I also think this; there's two people in every relationship. If the perceived "fetishized person" in the relationship was so unhappy there, they could leave any time they want to. I'm sure they're not being held there against their will. That's the main reason why I do side-eye this conversation about interracial relationships, especially when it seems like one person or race is getting the flak much harder than the other. It's easy too look at a white man/Asian woman and think of all the stereotypes of "oh he must have an Asian fetish", but does she look happy with him though? If so, it's not your business.

Additionally there's the case of fetishism with specific nationalities that happen to be white - Many magazines name Scandinavian women and Russian women as the prettiest in the world, and in fact there's lots of sex trafficking in Eastern Europe due to the appeal these women's beauty has to the common man/John - How would we classify someone who happens to fetishize say, Russian women?

I used to have lots of racial fetishes but now I'm really indifferent, I do think that I'm extremely turned off by curly hair and super turned on by straight hair (no offense really, it's just my preference) and I've found I think the more common people get tanned the more I enjoy looking at pale skin in contrast to tanned or darker skin, but I like both. I tend to value symmetrical facial features though, I have a tendency to use southern Europeans like Italians as good models for beauty because those are people I see everyday so I might have a wrong idea on beauty.

[Regina]

I think everyone has little preferences (I do like I said earlier) and that's ok.

The key word to me is "preference", to "prefer something" is - "this is what I usually like, but I'm open minded to other stuff". I tend to prefer darker features, but that doesn't mean I find blond hair/blue eyes unattractive by any means.

That's totally different to "I only date Asians" or "I don't date blacks". It's a problem when it becomes exclusionary and you completely write people off based on bullshit stereotypes, before you even talk to them.

[Dystopia]

I think everyone has little preferences (I do like I said earlier) and that's ok.

The key word to me is "preference", to "prefer something" is - "this is what I usually like, but I'm open minded to other stuff". I tend to prefer darker features, but that doesn't mean I find blond hair/blue eyes unattractive by any means.

That's totally different to "I only date Asians" or "I don't date blacks". It's a problem when it becomes exclusionary and you completely write people off based on bullshit stereotypes, before you even talk to them.

I think it depends, some people might just want someone of the same background. I wouldn't attack a minority for wanting to date other people from the same group. An asian immigrant might feel better with another asian immigrant because of similar background - This is true for everybody else.

[Lemonvariable72]

Well anyone here has yet to produce solid evidence of women being paid less or having less access to education, I do want to address rape. I have zero tolerance for this period. I think if we want to reduce rape we need a two pronged approach.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Rape and physical abuse is the only legitimate issue women face really. The majority of the women being physically weaker than a man's natural physique,it's extremely difficult to defend in those situations against men.
That's why there are self defense programs designed exclusively for women. They just have to be not lazy and they can protect themselves from cases like these if they put some work into it.