Dr. Donald Whitaker - Ex Atheist

[GrandizerII]

Daniel, I'd also like to stress this point, if I may: you say you're here to convert people, so why on earth did you begin a conversation with a person who'd made a real overture to getting more information out of you by making uncharitable and disrespectful assumptions out of them?

Why would you ever begin a discussion with that much distrust and lack of care for the other participant if your goal is persuasion?

Your trust will be broken and your feelings will be hurt when someone tells you you're wrong and you need help. The cross is offensive but at the same time it is good news and one type of way I love someone is to tell them about Jesus whether or not they believe or not. I apologize if I was rude in any way. I still stand in my faith in Jesus.

I don't think anyone's feelings here are being hurt. In my case, I feel pity for you because you believe that people are going to hell. Doesn't this disturb you that God would allow such a thing to happen? Don't you think this is like a horror movie with God as the scary monster?

[Jackalope]

Precisely who are these 500 witnesses again?

You do realize that the fact that a book claims that there were 500 witnesses does not make it so, yes?

does it make it false then>?

No. It makes it an uncorroborated, unjustifiable assertion. It's not necessarily bullshit, but it it is indistinguishable from bullshit.

[downbeatplumb]

Ok my estimate for your age has just plummeted. Are you a teenager yet?

there are plenty of teens smarter than you

Well of course there are, but I was commenting on the childish style of writing you were using. It was devolving into the "I know you are but what am I" style of to an d fro oft used by children in playgrounds. And your response here is another example. Its lazy and childlike, so I think you are most likely a lazy child.

[robvalue]

If he is genuine, and a child, it makes me really sad that religious indoctrination has disconnected him from reality already

Will he spend the rest of his life this way? Being a mouthpiece for a nonexistent monster?

I hope not. If instead he's a troll, he's not at all funny so I'm not sure what his point being here is. Just irritating us by pretending to be slightly more mental than he actually is? Huh.

[Angrboda]

If souls are immaterial, what do they have to fear about going to hell?  I don't think you thought this through.

Immaterial. No nerve endings. No pain.
Unless, as was posted in another thread, gawd actually creates a physical form for deceased unbelievers for the specific purpose of making them feel pain. Since Jehovah/Yahweh of the OT is undeniably the worst monster ever described in human literature, that evil action would at least be true to his character.

your assuming a soul can't experience pain because there are no nerve endings, but the bible teaches that even without your flesh you can think and feel

Do you have a citation for this?
If my soul is immaterial, it won't be affected by fire, for good or bad.

[Rhondazvous]

oh sorry I just meant with you

Oh, that makes it all better then.  You're being perfectly mature and respectful, you're giving us well-thought-out, coherent debate from useful scientific sources . . . you just hate only me.        My bad.

Wrong, troll.  You hate everyone who doesn't agree with you.  Grow up.

I second that. You fuck with fuzzy, you fucking with me and a whole lot of other folds here.

Did I ever tell you the story about what happened to the kid who fucked with me? It's not a pretty story so I'd better not tell you.

[Rhondazvous]

If souls are immaterial, what do they have to fear about going to hell?  I don't think you thought this through.

your assuming a soul can't experience pain because there are no nerve endings, but the bible teaches that even without your flesh you can think and feel

Do you have a citation for this?
If my soul is immaterial, it won't be affected by fire, for good or bad.

Yes, that is exactly what the Bible says will happen. At the resurrection, the dead in Christ will rise first, then everyone else. This is a physical resurrection since the souls are already in heaven—or hell, whichever the case may be.

Now, if you want to make a decision based on fear of hell, Islam is your best bet. Yahweh just throws people into the lake of fire and is done with them. But Allah rejuvenates their skins when it burns away so they will eternally get the full effect of torment.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and when Zeke walks......Zeke will be shot.

[Jackalope]

the bible teaches that even without your flesh you can think and feel

We can add that to the list of unsubstantiated bullshit found in the bible.

[Pat Mustard]

So therefore, I'm justified going to a Christian website, insulting them across multiple threads, in the hope that at least one MAY become an atheist and give up on mythology?

that's a waste of time for you

Why, you afraid some of your fellow delusionistas sees the light, and accepts that there is no evidence in favour of the existence of any being which could justifiably be called god, and that yhwh's bastard son god is definitely not real, disproven by his very own "holy book"?