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Good Article on Crucifixion
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RE: Good Article on Crucifixion
December 12, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Again, the ancients were not stupid.  They wouldn't have done it if there wasn't a reason for it.
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RE: Good Article on Crucifixion
December 12, 2015 at 5:53 pm
(December 12, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Judicious application of primitive washers ftw!   Washers wouldn't have helped though, /w the palms issue.  The issue is that you can either rip by force or tear by weight up between the bones of your fingers and get free - even if they put washers on.  This is much more difficult, washers are much more effective...up on the wrists.  The romans would have certainly known this, as they had some practice.  The christian iconography never could have been accurate.  No surprise to any of us, but it did mean that christians had to scramble for a new story..and while the story they settled upon is reasonable...we still only have that one ankle bone - not that we'd expect to find many leather scraps from crucifixions laying around, ofc.

An interesting note, even though it disagrees with the classic iconography of a crucified jesus, Catholics love to point out that Jesus was actually crucified through the wrists because that's what the shroud of Turin shows. As though that's proof of anything.
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RE: Good Article on Crucifixion
December 12, 2015 at 6:00 pm (This post was last modified: December 12, 2015 at 6:01 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(December 12, 2015 at 3:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Again, the ancients were not stupid.  They wouldn't have done it if there wasn't a reason for it.

They believed in Jesus.

I think the better description is the ancients were in general stupid, the problem is they were not reliably stupid.
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RE: Good Article on Crucifixion
December 12, 2015 at 6:05 pm (This post was last modified: December 12, 2015 at 6:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
"The ancients" -didn't- believe in jesus.  The world went batshit, for some reason.  When the first jesus freaks were just cropping up the greeks were already pretty thoroughly versed in euhemerism, just as one example.
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RE: Good Article on Crucifixion
December 12, 2015 at 8:39 pm
(December 12, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(December 12, 2015 at 3:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Again, the ancients were not stupid.  They wouldn't have done it if there wasn't a reason for it.

They believed in Jesus.

I think the better description is the ancients were in general stupid, the problem is they were not reliably stupid.

Some did.  On a percentage basis not very many.  When you start breaking them up by the various sects ( which were later deemed to be heretical  by the proto-orthodox who re-wrote history to suit their needs) the odds are that no one group was very large at all. 

In order to study the matter you must first totally dismiss the bullshit story which they put forward and there are a lot of people who'd rather castrate themselves than admit that it is all a tissue of lies.
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RE: Good Article on Crucifixion
December 12, 2015 at 9:43 pm
I actually thought that most cruxifictions were done with straps and not nails. I thought nails were only punishment for certain crimes

Oh well, guess you learn something new every day
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RE: Good Article on Crucifixion
December 12, 2015 at 9:58 pm
Is there such a thing as a bad article on crucifixion? (exclude deluded authors)
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RE: Good Article on Crucifixion
December 12, 2015 at 10:41 pm
Ones that concentrate on the absurd tales of some jewish carpenter getting nailed.

They suck for the most part.
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