Women's clothes?

[Whateverist]

Not sexy!  

I'm not required to be sexy all the time

   Hmm .. not what it says here.

[MTL]

Perhaps women shouldn't be "surprised" when that happens, but that still doesn't give men an excuse to objectify a woman. Men are not dogs and still have the ability to look away or to refrain from seeing a fellow human being as an object.

Actually, I think there's a hidden double-standard here.  When a woman dresses provocatively, I think she knows it.  And if the RIGHT PERSON notices, she'll be happy as hell.  What she doesn't like is when someone she doesn't want to attract is attracted-- that is annoying for her.  And that is a double standard, because she's judging some men as not being sexy/attractive/rich/whatever enough to deserve the show that she's putting on.  In making herself attractive and enforcing standards, she's not only objectifying herself, but the men who she might implicity reject.

Do you think if Tom Cruise came up and stared at a woman's chest and said, "Mhhh hmmm, you are so beautiful" that she'd shout "Fuck you, Tom Cruise!  Stop fucking objectifying me!"

I don't think so.  That treatment is reserved for sub-standard mouth breathers like me and the other 90% of real human males.

Oh dear god.

i see the problem now.

If a sexy woman doesn't respond to your advances,
then SHE is guilty of being judgmental.

Silly me.

She should be diplomatic and sleep with every guy who makes an advance.

[MTL]

I'm not required to be sexy all the time

   Hmm .. not what it says here.

that was funny

[Edwardo Piet]

This is another shit shit and run thread.

[Whateverist]

Hey I'm just having fun with it. I completely agree with the women on this one. They get to dress the way they like and no way they choose to dress is equivalent to inviting or permitting sexual contact. But when it comes to 'staring', I'm entitled to my field of vision. You don't want it looked at? Don't bring it into the zone. Hell, I'm not looking for anything more any way. I'll damn well enjoy the view.

[Edwardo Piet]

I don't have the urge to stare unless the staring is encouraged and wanted.

[Whateverist]

Not sexy!  

I'm not required to be sexy all the time

Of course not.  No one is.

[MTL]

I don't have the urge to stare unless the staring is encouraged and wanted.

You don't HAVE the urge?

Or you have it, and CONTROL it?

[Whateverist]

Actually, I think there's a hidden double-standard here.  When a woman dresses provocatively, I think she knows it.  And if the RIGHT PERSON notices, she'll be happy as hell.  What she doesn't like is when someone she doesn't want to attract is attracted-- that is annoying for her.  And that is a double standard, because she's judging some men as not being sexy/attractive/rich/whatever enough to deserve the show that she's putting on.  In making herself attractive and enforcing standards, she's not only objectifying herself, but the men who she might implicity reject.

Do you think if Tom Cruise came up and stared at a woman's chest and said, "Mhhh hmmm, you are so beautiful" that she'd shout "Fuck you, Tom Cruise!  Stop fucking objectifying me!"

I don't think so.  That treatment is reserved for sub-standard mouth breathers like me and the other 90% of real human males.

Oh dear god.

i see the problem now.

If a sexy woman doesn't respond to your advances,
then SHE is guilty of being judgmental.

Silly me.

She should be diplomatic and sleep with every guy who makes an advance.

That would be the democratic approach.  Thanks.

[Losty]

Perhaps women shouldn't be "surprised" when that happens, but that still doesn't give men an excuse to objectify a woman. Men are not dogs and still have the ability to look away or to refrain from seeing a fellow human being as an object.

Actually, I think there's a hidden double-standard here.  When a woman dresses provocatively, I think she knows it.  And if the RIGHT PERSON notices, she'll be happy as hell.  What she doesn't like is when someone she doesn't want to attract is attracted-- that is annoying for her.  And that is a double standard, because she's judging some men as not being sexy/attractive/rich/whatever enough to deserve the show that she's putting on.  In making herself attractive and enforcing standards, she's not only objectifying herself, but the men who she might implicity reject.

Do you think if Tom Cruise came up and stared at a woman's chest and said, "Mhhh hmmm, you are so beautiful" that she'd shout "Fuck you, Tom Cruise!  Stop fucking objectifying me!"

I don't think so.  That treatment is reserved for sub-standard mouth breathers like me and the other 90% of real human males.

Why are you talking about this hypothetical woman as if she represents all women? People choose how to dress based on whatever reasoning they feel is right for themselves at the time.