Rule Change (New Staff Power)

[Excited Penguin]

Ok, I'll take responsibility for bringing it up. Now I'm asking that we move on. I'm sorry if I upset anyone. Can we leave it at that or what?

I'm perfectly able to forget about everything and start a new leaf. Are any of you able to do that as well? Judge me on my future actions and I shall stop blaming and pointing fingers. I'm not at all interested in the past. What's done is done. Even if I could demonstrate I was wronged, that wouldn't change anything. I'm interested in developing a good relationship with anyone interested and stop all the drama and the attacks and so on. I do not enjoy this hate, I don't enjoy it at all. Nobody would. Am I being reasonable at all here or not?

I am not smarter than anyone here. I'm sorry I said that. I'm sorry if I was a dick. This is my apology and I'll stand by it no matter what.

The problem is, EP, you make these sorts of statements which seem perfectly reasonable and personally I start to warm to you again, but they never last. If I could rely on them to last more than a few posts, I'd have a whole different opinion of you, but as it stands experience has taught me that they unfortunately cannot be trusted (by me I mean, not speaking for anyone else). So I had to make a choice... either keep buying it and be disappointed each time or give up on it as a lost cause, and I finally chose the latter, for my own good. I'm not saying I don't think you're sincere when you write them - you may or may not be - but just that they don't last... down to impulsiveness or whatever.

But that said, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones in a practical sense. I don't want to further contribute to your anger and the effects it has on the forum - which in practice seems to happen whether I'm nice or nasty to you - nor do I want to spend the rest of my forum days walking on eggshells around you, so the best course of action from my perspective is simply not to engage you any more than is absolutely necessary. So next time you pop up with a thread asking for suggestions for a name change, I won't chime in with rude or insulting suggestions - fun as it may be - because that only fuels the fire. But on the flip side, each time you make a good post, I don't see the point in engaging that either because it always deteriorates to anger and is all about walking on eggshells lest something I say set you off... for instance when Godschild was wishing you well and offering encouragement about quitting smoking and somehow - God knows how - you took offence at that and turned on him. So I can either positively engage your posts and spend my time vetting my own posts for possible EP triggers, or just not engage at all, and I think the latter is the best option.

I'm not here to argue about this post but just to state my position, so my engagement ends here because I don't want to derail this thread any more than you do. But just to say it doesn't mean I'm ignoring you just not engaging you... I'll still probably to and fro in how I see you and still think some of your posts are good. Nor does it mean that I hate you (though sometimes, I admit, my anger gets the better of me and I do), but just that this seems the best solution to the problem. You're welcome to apply the same policy to me.

I don't feel the need to make arrogant remarks anymore.

[Excited Penguin]

About this rule. I heard some of you say I wasn't its inspiration. I doubt that very much, but as I myself hope I wasn't, I'll take your words for it.

Can someone describe to me a scenario in which this rule would be applied, however? What kind of person/actions would lead to such a scenario? What is the purpose of this rule, overall, and how would you go about selecting who breaks it and who doesn't?

Actually, excuse my naivete. I'll go back and read everything if I really want to find out about it. I'm sure it's been covered already.

[Losty]

DespondentFishhasAlongName or something like that would be a good example

[SteelCurtain]

About this rule. I heard some of you say I wasn't its inspiration. I doubt that very much, but as I myself hope I wasn't, I'll take your words for it.

Can someone describe to me a scenario in which this rule would be applied, however? What kind of person/actions would lead to such a scenario? What is the purpose of this rule, overall, and how would you go about selecting who breaks it and who doesn't?

Actually, excuse my naivete. I'll go back and read everything if I really want to find out about it. I'm sure it's been covered already.

I said it earlier, but nearly 600 posts is a lot to comb through:

DFDM is the only person I have encountered in my time as a mod on this site that I would have voted to get rid of based solely on his behavior and effect on the forum.

[Ravenshire]

About this rule. I heard some of you say I wasn't its inspiration. I doubt that very much, but as I myself hope I wasn't, I'll take your words for it.

Can someone describe to me a scenario in which this rule would be applied, however? What kind of person/actions would lead to such a scenario? What is the purpose of this rule, overall, and how would you go about selecting who breaks it and who doesn't?

Actually, excuse my naivete. I'll go back and read everything if I really want to find out about it. I'm sure it's been covered already.

I said it earlier, but nearly 600 posts is a lot to comb through:

DFDM is the only person I have encountered in my time as a mod on this site that I would have voted to get rid of based solely on his behavior and effect on the forum.

What about HeWhoShallRemainUnnamed? Although, I think that was before you joined the Mod Squad.

[SteelCurtain]

Yeah, and also I secretly enjoyed his mania. But that was because I didn't have to deal with it. Until I stupidly gave him my number.

But he got banned for breaking literally all the rules.

[Cyberman]

The analogy with the courts is very bad. Here you don't have the chance to defend yourself. If the staff thinks you acted badly, you're going to get banned no matter what. Are we to assume the staff is always right about everything?

The fundamental difference between the system we have and a court system is that in the latter, all the necessary evidence has to be presented and a case put before the appointed panel of arbiters, none of whom were actually present at the time the alleged crime was committed. Here, everything is recorded for all to see, and Staff have means of investigating behind the scenes at a level inaccessible to grasroots members. There's no room or need for debate about whether the shots came from a sixth-floor window or the grassy knoll; anyone can simply scroll back and see the crime take place.

And stop acting like banning is the only option we have. I can literally call up two dozen reports since xmas and out of the forty-four bans in that time, forty of them were spambots. There remaining four were legitimate members banned for specific legitimate reasons; and one of them is now back among us. So basically, three actual bans and one timeout as a result of all the reports in the span of one month.

[Cyberman]

Keep in mind I can not respond in kind, as I will get banned for doing so, whereas you won't.

No you fucking won't, all else being equal and you're not flouting any rules. If your intention is to make me sick and tired of this "pity poor me" bullshit, mission accomplished.

[Excited Penguin]

Keep in mind I can not respond in kind, as I will get banned for doing so, whereas you won't.

No you fucking won't, all else being equal and you're not flouting any rules. If your intention is to make me sick and tired of this "pity poor me" bullshit, mission accomplished.

I received no warnings whatsoever prior to getting banned. And I still don't understand why I got banned. But I'm willing to put all that behind me because as I said, proving that I got wrongly banned won't give me those 2 weeks back. All I ask is that in the future, if the staff thinks I'm breaking rules, they warn me in any way at all so that I can understand that this is what I'm doing at the moment. Otherwise, it's pretty much impossible to do, since I got banned despite keeping the rules in mind and not attempting to break them.

This is the reason why I acted so defensively a few posts earlier.

I don't want any attention. I acted badly in the past and I know this. I still didn't break the rules cited in the reason for why I got banned, or at least, that's my contention. But I did act badly. Let's leave it at that.

[SofaKingHigh]

No you fucking won't, all else being equal and you're not flouting any rules. If your intention is to make me sick and tired of this "pity poor me" bullshit, mission accomplished.

I received no warnings whatsoever prior to getting banned. And I still don't understand why I got banned. But I'm willing to put all that behind me because as I said, proving that I got wrongly banned won't give me those 2 weeks back. All I ask is that in the future, if the staff thinks I'm breaking rules, they warn me in any way at all so that I can understand that this is what I'm doing at the moment. Otherwise, it's pretty much impossible to do, since I got banned despite keeping the rules in mind and not attempting to break them.

This is the reason why I acted so defensively a few posts earlier.

I don't want any attention. I acted badly in the past and I know this. I still didn't break the rules cited in the reason for why I got banned, or at least, that's my contention. But I did act badly. Let's leave it at that.

Good morning Excited Penguin, how was your weekend?