What do Christians Mean by "Restoe our Nation?"

[Chad32]

People could NEVER understand all the words to music. That's why we have misheard lyrics dating back a long fucking way.

Like hearing "There's a bathroom on the right", instead of There's a bad moon on the rise?

[Minimalist]

James Madison - who wrote the constitution -

The experience of the United States is a happy disproof of the error so long rooted in the unenlightened minds of well-meaning Christians, as well as in the corrupt hearts of persecuting usurpers, that without a legal incorporation of religious and civil polity, neither could be supported. A mutual independence is found most friendly to practical Religion, to social harmony, and to political prosperity (Letter to F.L. Schaeffer, Dec 3, 1821).

Curiously, there were no Establishment Clause case decisions by the supreme court until 1879.  So well understood was the concept of the wall between church and state early on that it took a mormon shitwit to challenge the anti-bigamy law as an infringement of his religious rights.  He lost.  Fuck him.

You are engaging in revisionist history, drippy.  And since you don't know shit about history to begin with you are on very thin ice.

[GodCherry]

I'm not the one trying to go back in time to revive exploitation.   I'm also not trying to stifle other people's civil rights based on their religious beliefs, ethnicity, gender or sexual preferences.

your obviously not trying to right a wrong either.. It seems to me you want to look down your nose at the actions that put you on top in soceity, you are not willing to give up that position either by given back what was taken.

Douche

Lol...i'm an interracial working female.  I'm not "on top" of anything.

And I'm all for righting wrongs...but it doesn't follow that turning over all land rights back to the Native Americans and getting rid of everyone else is the necessarily the best way to do it.

What I do know is that I have zero interest in going back in time to the place the poster that I was responding to described.

And by the way, I wouldn't even use a douche...they're very bad for the vag.

[Crossless2.0]

It's strange to me to hear older people these days pine for the 'Good Old Days' stereotyped in the sorts of programs these same people watched as kids in the '50s. After all, they were the generation that broke away from all of that in the first place. They hated the conformity. They felt stifled. They yearned for freedom. Now many of them want to return the rest of us to the fantasy world they saw on a screen decades ago, an America that was true only if you were white, male, straight, and relatively privileged financially.

Blacks? Fuck you. Hispanics? Fuck you. Native Americans? Fuck you. Women? Fuck you. Gay? Fuck you. Jew? Fuck you. Muslim? Fuck you. Atheist? Fuck you.

The Good Old Days indeed . . . .

Fucking Boomers. Never satisfied. Like Carlin said, everything was handed to them on a silver platter, and they took it all: sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. Then there came a point when they became self-righteous (well, they were always obnoxiously self-righteous, but they became old and obnoxiously self-righteous), and they want to deny everyone else the cultural freedoms they enjoyed, but only after they sold out and pissed it all away.

[GodCherry]

People could NEVER understand all the words to music.  That's why we have misheard lyrics dating back a long fucking way.

Like hearing "There's a bathroom on the right", instead of There's a bad moon on the rise?

I could never understand anything from the Bee Gee's.

[vorlon13]

Nothing stopping the churches from bouncing their female clergy

Nothing stopping the churches from bouncing their divorced and remarried clergy

Nothing stopping churches from stopping remarrying divorced people

Nothing stopping churches from handling serpents every Sunday

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from going to the doctor and relying on faith healing

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding members from wearing clothing of mixed fabrics

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from planting more than one kind of seed in a garden

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from eating dishes combining meat and cheese

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding members from trimming their beards

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from burning yeast in their offerings

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from eating fat

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from looking unkempt

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from using alcohol in their communion

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from eating seafood

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding new mothers who had boys from entering for 33 days

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding new mothers who had boys from entering for 66 days

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members to pay their employees  at any interval other than daily

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from reading horoscopes

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from getting tattoos

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from paying or charging interest



Probably a thousand more of these, I'm thinking as soon as the churches clean themselves up and get square with God, the rest of us might then entertain some of their suggestions for running the country, especially if after they have fixed themselves up with  God, God turns around and starts showering them with gold and myrrh and stuff.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I heard a Christian man prying over lunch. I didn’t hear everything he said,     but he started asking god about stuff that had little to do with food.  I made out something about “Lord help them restore this great nation.” I missed who “them” is.

It struck me as odd because it sounds like the same thing the tea baggers say when they talk about taking the nation back. Take it back from where? Restore it from what to wheat?

I know they’re not talking about police brutality, fascism, political corruption, poverty, social inequality or capital graft. They never had a problem with these things before.

So what are they talking about?

Maybe he was remembering the good old days.
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[Minimalist]

People could NEVER understand all the words to music.  That's why we have misheard lyrics dating back a long fucking way.

Like hearing "There's a bathroom on the right", instead of There's a bad moon on the rise?

I think it was shock jock, Don Imus, who used to sing..

Don't go around tonight,
Well, it's bound to take your life,
There's a brother with a knife.

[GodCherry]

Nothing stopping the churches from bouncing their female clergy

Nothing stopping the churches from bouncing their divorced and remarried clergy

Nothing stopping churches from stopping remarrying divorced people

Nothing stopping churches from handling serpents every Sunday

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from going to the doctor and relying on faith healing

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding members from wearing clothing of mixed fabrics

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from planting more than one kind of seed in a garden

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from eating dishes combining meat and cheese

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding members from trimming their beards

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from burning yeast in their offerings

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from eating fat

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from looking unkempt

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from using alcohol in their communion

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from eating seafood

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding new mothers who had boys from entering for 33 days

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding new mothers who had boys from entering for 66 days

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members to pay their employees  at any interval other than daily

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from reading horoscopes

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from getting tattoos

Nothing stopping churches from forbidding their members from paying or charging interest



Probably a thousand more of these, I'm thinking as soon as the churches clean themselves up and get square with God, the rest of us might then entertain some of their suggestions for running the country, especially if after they have fixed themselves up with  God, God turns around and starts showering them with gold and myrrh and stuff.

Nothing stopping churches from condoning the cornholing of choirboys  (think you missed that one).

[Cecelia]

Many Christian Conservatives misinterpret the Establishment Clause, assuming it only means that the state cannot create it's own church. They tend to agree with Rehnquist and Scalia on the Establishment Clause because they consider themselves special. They think that it's fine for this country to be a theocracy, so long as it is a Christian Theocracy (Change it to a Muslim Theocracy, and they will flip out). However, the majority of Supreme Court Justices consider Neutrality as the guiding principle of the Establishment Clause. An endorsement of religion is considered to be going against the Establishment clause (no matter how much the Christians don't like that, since they are currently the majority) John Addams certainly felt that the United States was not founded upon the Christian Religion. As seen in the Treaty of Tripoli.

When all else fails, they point to the Declaration of Independence -- which is not a legally binding document. The constitution itself makes no mention of god or creator. And rightfully so. I quite imagine that the Christians would not be the least bit pleased if another religion became the majority, and pushed upon them their values and beliefs.