Brace yourselves for gravitational waves

[Brian37]

Even Krauss says nothing is something in this video. It is freaky to think about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh5EdyKPioc

[Excited Penguin]

Even Krauss says nothing is something in this video. It is freaky to think about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh5EdyKPioc

Try reading his book on the matter. Fascinating read.

[Excited Penguin]

I am only converned with the line in that analogy. The line being the universe. As you said yourself it is finite, and that's all that matters.

Yes, you are getting pedantic.

I'm not stuck like some on taking a "we came from nothing" which is fine, or "we came from something" which is fine with me as well. What I do know which is far more important for more people to grow to accept is that humans are not the center of all this. That is my sticking point with theists. No matter what we don't currently know, we do know we don't need a cosmic sky wizard either way..

Except there are no theists currently participating in this conversation and you're preaching to the choir.

[Brian37]

I'm not stuck like some on taking a "we came from nothing" which is fine, or "we came from something" which is fine with me as well. What I do know which is far more important for more people to grow to accept is that humans are not the center of all this. That is my sticking point with theists. No matter what we don't currently know, we do know we don't need a cosmic sky wizard either way..

Except there are no theists currently participating in this conversation and you're preaching to the choir.

No, believe me, they do read this stuff, they just don't always respond. We have theists at this website. They might simply be reading it and avoiding us because they'd get their asses handed to them. Not by me alone no, I am nowhere near a scientist, but we do have some big brains here. 

Plus it also allows other atheists who might not be aware of certain scientists. I didn't know who Krauss was a few years ago.

[Excited Penguin]

Except there are no theists currently participating in this conversation and you're preaching to the choir.

No, believe me, they do read this stuff, they just don't always respond. We have theists at this website. They might simply be reading it and avoiding us because they'd get their asses handed to them. Not by me alone no, I am nowhere near a scientist, but we do have some big brains here. 

Plus it also allows other atheists who might not be aware of certain scientists. I didn't know who Krauss was a few years ago.

I doubt that they're reading this from the shadows and that it has any effect on their religious convictions, but you do your thing if it makes you feel any better.

[Brian37]

No, believe me, they do read this stuff, they just don't always respond. We have theists at this website. They might simply be reading it and avoiding us because they'd get their asses handed to them. Not by me alone no, I am nowhere near a scientist, but we do have some big brains here. 

Plus it also allows other atheists who might not be aware of certain scientists. I didn't know who Krauss was a few years ago.

I doubt that they're reading this from the shadows and that it has any effect on their religious convictions, but you do your thing if it makes you feel any better.

Never say never. This website also has former believers. Just because you don't see a sudden "You know guys, I was wrong" in the moment, does not mean the seed of doubt doesn't get planted. I used to believe myself.

[vorlon13]

Here's a list of movies, (extra credit if you can ID who spoke the line and in what movie):

"Whispers in the Wind", "To Each His Own", "Put It Where It Doesn't Belong", "My Pipes Need Cleaning", "All Tit-Fucking, Volume 8", "I Need Your Cock", "Ass-Worshipping Rimjobbers", "My Cunt and Eight Shafts", "Cum Clean", "Cum-Gargling Naked Sluts", "Cum Buns 3", "Cumming in Socks", "Cum on Eileen", "Huge Black Cocks with Pearly White Cum", "Girls Who Crave Cock", "Girls Who Crave Cunt", "Men Alone 2: The K-Y Connection", "Pink Pussy Lips", oh yeah, and, uh, "All Holes Filled with Hard Cock".

[vorlon13]

BTW, that would be a good movie to select . . . .

[Alex K]

Here's a list of movies, (extra credit if you can ID who spoke the line and in what movie):

"Whispers in the Wind", "To Each His Own", "Put It Where It Doesn't Belong", "My Pipes Need Cleaning", "All Tit-Fucking, Volume 8", "I Need Your Cock", "Ass-Worshipping Rimjobbers", "My Cunt and Eight Shafts", "Cum Clean", "Cum-Gargling Naked Sluts", "Cum Buns 3", "Cumming in Socks", "Cum on Eileen", "Huge Black Cocks with Pearly White Cum", "Girls Who Crave Cock", "Girls Who Crave Cunt", "Men Alone 2: The K-Y Connection", "Pink Pussy Lips", oh yeah, and, uh, "All Holes Filled with Hard Cock".

That's so interesting, vorlon. And do I understand correctly that you are saying those are independent proof for black holes?

[Alex K]

Where does it say that galaxies themselves will be ripped apart?

Read the wiki article, those are the experts. I would assume that after the distances between galaxies become so great, if the expansion continues it would end  up pulling those things apart too, but again, that article explains it better than I can.

Depending on who wrote the article, I'm likely as much of an expert. So the crucial point is that for such a 'big rip' to occur, one needs to postulate an extreme form of dark energy which increases in density without bounds as the universe expands. This is rather unusual, and current observations do not really suggest that something like this will occur. The simplest version of dark energy is the cosmological constant (which is a standard part of Einstein's theory anyhow) and it is so far nicely compatible with observations afaik. With this simplest hypothesis, constant dark energy density, the universe approaches an exponential expansion with a *constant* Hubble constant, which will just go on in a stationary fashion with a constant, negligible force on objects smaller than a galaxy cluster.