Clinton or Sanders

[AFTT47]

I would rather have either over the a Republican. That said:

Hilary is much more the right Democrat at the right time than Sanders IMHO. Here's my reasoning:

Sanders champions ideas which may be plausibly implemented 3 or 4 elections from now but not now. I'm amazed he even talks about single-payer health plans now when the admittedly-flawed AHCA has drawn the incredible resistance it has. Its like when Bill Clinton managed to push his "Don't ask, Don't tell policy for gays in the military in 1993. The gays were disappointed but the military members were horrified to go that far. Trust me, I was a member of the US Air Force at the time. There is no way he could have gotten openly-gay members of the military legally serving at that time. He went as far as he could realistically go. That's the way Hillary is on things like higher minimum wage. Sometimes you have to take baby steps or not take steps at all. Sanders is off the rails, going after things which are totally unrealistic. He would simply waste time.

Hillary has MUCH more chops on foreign policy. Obviously, she has much more experience having served 4 years as Secretary of State. It's very important IMHO. Sanders is completely out of his league here. He doesn't look to me to be even interested. Populism is his main thing. He's a one-trick pony. He's a good advocate for the people but not well-rounded enough to be a serious candidate for President IMHO.

Hilary is more electable. I don't care what the present polls say. If Sanders is nominated, the Republicans will crucify him over the socialist thing. This isn't the 50s but it's close enough. The socialist label will cost him enough swing votes to be fatal - maybe even against Trump. Why do you think the Republicans have been so nice on Sanders? It's for the same reason our side has hardly attacked Trump: They want him to be nominated because he's the easier opponent.

Hilary is strong. Yes, she's a bitch. I wouldn't want to live with her. But that's not the issue here. Most people would be happy to belly-up to a bar with George W Bush because he's an amiable guy whether you agree with his politics or not. That is even more true with Barack Obama who is even more charismatic. But that doesn't get it done in the oval office. It's good to be the most powerful person in the world but it's brutal too. It takes a degree of ruthlessness to do the job. Hilary has it while Sanders (and Obama, I'm afraid) does not.

Hillary is a woman. This is more my personal liberal social opinion than other things but I think we need to have a woman in charge. It's great that we had a black man as President but blacks are less than 15% of the American population. Women are 50%. It's high time a woman gets the top spot. We're wasting the talents of 50% of the population because of antiquated stereotypes. Let Hilary show that women are as capable as men. Maybe then, we can double our productivity here in the US by better using ALL of our talents. It sucks and it's embarrassing and unconscionable that we're wasting 15% of our population of blacks but it's even worse that we're wasting half of our population of women. IMHO, we really need a female President.

[bennyboy]

Hillary is a lying, right-wing politician; she fucking reeks of disingenuity. If this is the reason to vote for her-- that she's establishment enough to get things done-- then you are a secret Republican.

I'd probably rather have Trump than Hillary, and I don't agree with Trump at all. But we need someone who will come into government, tell them ALL that they're fucking assholes, and press that magic "reset" button in the sky.

My ideal scenario is that Sanders wins. No part of me wants to see Hillary in power. If you want a woman, Elizabeth Warren as VP to Bernie Sanders will be the smartest combination in the past hundred years.

[Old Baby]

I probably won't vote for either of them, although either looks much better than Donald Trump.

I have much more respect for Sanders and think he's the more honest of the two. I see Hillary Clinton as basically a criminal.

I've always voted GOP, given that I was a fundamentalist Christian up to about 3 months ago, but my mind has changed enough in a short span of time that I don't think I can vote for any of the Repukelicans.... maybe Kasich... maybe. But, I don't even agree with him on everything. It would be nice if there was an attractive option, but I just keep weighing who looks the least dangerous.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Sanders is anti establishment. Clinton IS the establishment. 'nuff said, as far as I'm concerned.

Still leaves me wondering, are you hoping he'll figure out a way to accomplish his fine ambitions through the establishment or were you hoping he'd appoint himself emperor and just decree his whole agenda.  If you see the establishment as something that must be negotiated with skill, you could reasonably prefer Hillary.  But whatever.  I hope the Bern wins too but I'm not expecting any magic if he does.  Hopefully he won't be woefully ineffective.

The last thing we need is another Southern redneck POTUS, especially one from Arkansas.  It's time to kick the Clintons to the curb just like the Bush's.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Hillary is a lying, right-wing politician; she fucking reeks of disingenuity.  If this is the reason to vote for her-- that she's establishment enough to get things done-- then you are a secret Republican.

I'd probably rather have Trump than Hillary, and I don't agree with Trump at all.  But we need someone who will come into government, tell them ALL that they're fucking assholes, and press that magic "reset" button in the sky.

My ideal scenario is that Sanders wins.  No part of me wants to see Hillary in power.  If you want a woman, Elizabeth Warren as VP to Bernie Sanders will be the smartest combination in the past hundred years.

Bill was the perfect Repub President.  He screwed over everyone while he was screwing everyone.  No more Clintons.

[AFTT47]

Hillary is a lying, right-wing politician; she fucking reeks of disingenuity.  If this is the reason to vote for her-- that she's establishment enough to get things done-- then you are a secret Republican.

if you are replying to me, that is hilarious. I'm very far from Republican. As long as they are anti-science and pander to the religious right, they are disqualified from getting my vote. As I said, I agree that Hillary isn't a warm and friendly chick who I would enjoy quality time with. I do think she's a combination of pragmatic strength and liberal enlightenment enough to be a great representative of us. I think Sanders will not only not get things done but he would not even get the chance. He's too easy a target for Republicans. The "socialist" label is bad and it's easy enough for the Republicans to make it stick. I don't think he can realistically be elected as President at this time.

[KUSA]

There are dramatic differences in the two.

[vorlon13]

Noted in passing;

conspicuously unreleased at this point are Cruz's, Rubio's and Trump's past tax returns. Even Romney is wondering what skulduggery is being concealed.

[Minimalist]

Sanders is anti establishment. Clinton IS the establishment. 'nuff said, as far as I'm concerned.

Sanders has been in Congress since 1990.  What does it take to be part of the "establishment?"

[Chad32]

Taking money from corporations, and listening to the "elite" instead of the people.