Clinton or Sanders

[Pat Mustard]

I would rather have either over the a Republican. That said:

Hilary is much more the right Democrat at the right time than Sanders IMHO. Here's my reasoning:

Sanders champions ideas which may be plausibly implemented 3 or 4 elections from now but not now. I'm amazed he even talks about single-payer health plans now when the admittedly-flawed AHCA has drawn the incredible resistance it has. Its like when Bill Clinton managed to push his "Don't ask, Don't tell policy for gays in the military in 1993. The gays were disappointed but the military members were horrified to go that far. Trust me, I was a member of the US Air Force at the time. There is no way he could have gotten openly-gay members of the military legally serving at that time. He went as far as he could realistically go. That's the way Hillary is on things like higher minimum wage. Sometimes you have to take baby steps or not take steps at all. Sanders is off the rails, going after things which are totally unrealistic. He would simply waste time.

Hillary has MUCH more chops on foreign policy. Obviously, she has much more experience having served 4 years as Secretary of State. It's very important IMHO. Sanders is completely out of his league here. He doesn't look to me to be even interested. Populism is his main thing. He's a one-trick pony. He's a good advocate for the people but not well-rounded enough to be a serious candidate for President IMHO.

Hilary is more electable. I don't care what the present polls say. If Sanders is nominated, the Republicans will crucify him over the socialist thing. This isn't the 50s but it's close enough. The socialist label will cost him enough swing votes to be fatal - maybe even against Trump. Why do you think the Republicans have been so nice on Sanders? It's for the same reason our side has hardly attacked Trump: They want him to be nominated because he's the easier opponent.

Hilary is strong. Yes, she's a bitch. I wouldn't want to live with her. But that's not the issue here. Most people would be happy to belly-up to a bar with George W Bush because he's an amiable guy whether you agree with his politics or not. That is even more true with Barack Obama who is even more charismatic. But that doesn't get it done in the oval office. It's good to be the most powerful person in the world but it's brutal too. It takes a degree of ruthlessness to do the job. Hilary has it while Sanders (and Obama, I'm afraid) does not.

Hillary is a woman. This is more my personal liberal social opinion than other things but I think we need to have a woman in charge. It's great that we had a black man as President but blacks are less than 15% of the American population. Women are 50%. It's high time a woman gets the top spot. We're wasting the talents of 50% of the population because of antiquated stereotypes. Let Hilary show that women are as capable as men. Maybe then, we can double our productivity here in the US by better using ALL of our talents. It sucks and it's embarrassing and unconscionable that we're wasting 15% of our population of blacks but it's even worse that we're wasting half of our population of women. IMHO, we really need a female President.

I'd be more likely to agree with that if Clinton were able to do with Sanders what FDR did with the challenge from Huey Long. But I cannot see Hilary having either the desire or the ability to change from being a Wall Street Dem (which is what FDR was, economically, before '32) to being a more left-wing mixed-economy big-state Dem. If you could combine her establishment gravitas (for want of a better word) with the more populist and statist leanings of Sanders. The last person to do that, for either party, was unbeatable in US politics.

[CapnAwesome]

The Texas primaries are on Tuesday and so far my only criteria for choosing between these two is eemee meenee miney mo. Anybody here have something to say for or against them that I may have missed?

Hillary is a war criminal.

[AFTT47]

The Texas primaries are on Tuesday and so far my only criteria for choosing between these two is eemee meenee miney mo. Anybody here have something to say for or against them that I may have missed?

Hillary is a war criminal.

Yeah, and we never landed people on the moon and 9-11 was an inside job. Keep talking. You're only benefiting our side.

[CapnAwesome]

Hillary is a war criminal.

Yeah, and we never landed people on the moon and 9-11 was an inside job. Keep talking. You're only benefiting our side.

  Good moral people who I want as president don't praise the policies of Henry Kissinger. Nor hug him.

[AFTT47]

Henry Kissinger was part of normalizing relations with Russia and China during the cold war. What's your problem with him?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Henry Kissinger was part of normalizing relations with Russia and China during the cold war. What's your problem with him?

Kissenger is a turd.

[Tiberius]

Henry Kissinger was part of normalizing relations with Russia and China during the cold war. What's your problem with him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_..._Kissinger

I'm sure Kissinger did many great things. Unfortunately, he did many many bad and possibly criminal things as well. The great things do not negate the bad.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Satan has more redeeming qualities than Kissenger has.

[CapnAwesome]

AFTT47Henry Kissinger was part of normalizing relations with Russia and China during the cold war. What's your problem with him?

Are you kidding?? Thought that the war crimes of Henry Kissinger were pretty old hat at this point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_..._Kissinger

Bernie Sanders certainly knows, as he declared strongly that 'Henry Kissinger is not my friend' http://www.salon.com/2016/02/12/sanders_...gn_policy/


I don't have hours of free time to go into the war crimes of Henry Kissinger, but people should know. They should also know that Hillary is cut from the same cloth. The Obama administration's foriegn policy has been infinitely better without her. He's sort of an aside point though, as Hillary has been culpable in war crimes or at the very least war mongering for decades.

[AFTT47]

Henry Kissinger was a shining star of the Nixon and Ford administration. He helped bring stability in a very unstable, very dangerous time. I remember it well as I lived through that era.