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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 8:26 pm
(March 30, 2016 at 8:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Boy...a designer intellectually capable of designing such complexity would have to be FAR more complex than any of the stuff he designed, right? So, I wonder who designed that designer? I mean...since complexity can't just emerge naturally. According to you.
And that point gets dodged like the plague. Any explanation for the existence of a god will work equally well with the universe itself and no god included.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 8:27 pm
(March 30, 2016 at 8:05 pm)AJW333 Wrote: DNA has an ability to perceive information, eg that an error has occurred in the process of replication. It retains this knowledge through subsequent generations. It also uses this retained knowledge to make adaptive behaviours, ie to conduct very complex, multi-stage repair processes. How is it that this does not qualify as intelligent?
I already answered this. Are you behind in responding to posts?
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The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 8:34 pm
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(March 30, 2016 at 8:26 pm)IATIA Wrote: (March 30, 2016 at 8:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Boy...a designer intellectually capable of designing such complexity would have to be FAR more complex than any of the stuff he designed, right? So, I wonder who designed that designer? I mean...since complexity can't just emerge naturally. According to you.
And that point gets dodged like the plague. Any explanation for the existence of a god will work equally well with the universe itself and no god included.
Yeah, for some reason atlas doesn't seem to think he has a responsibility to answer for that particular question. Demands for evolution explained in detail, to the point that anything short of time travel so that he can physically SEE it will not satiate him...but we demand an explanation for his God? Eh...he just doesn't see why it's necessary! Magic needs no explanation. [emoji57]
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 8:36 pm
And the universe is just a speck of complexity compared to a necessary god.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 9:31 pm
(March 30, 2016 at 8:05 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including one's capacity for logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning, emotional knowledge, memory, planning, creativity and problem solving. It can be more generally described as the ability to perceive information, and retain it as knowledge to be applied towards adaptive behaviors within an environment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligen...telligence
DNA has an ability to perceive information, eg that an error has occurred in the process of replication. It retains this knowledge through subsequent generations. It also uses this retained knowledge to make adaptive behaviours, ie to conduct very complex, multi-stage repair processes. How is it that this does not qualify as intelligent?
So we're finally just down to the bald assertion phase of theistic argumentation, are we? No interest in demonstrating that DNA "perceives" anything- rather than it just being a case of all those permutations of DNA that couldn't repair died out- nor any interest in demonstrating that it "knows" anything, just a hugely tortured argument from analogy fallacy without a shred of evidence?
Are you backed into a corner, or is this just a lazy, lazy fuckin' day for you? 
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Are you guys saying that DNA does not convey information? I don't even think there is any debate in the scientific community. It clearly does. For example, chapter 33 in my biochemistry textbook is called: The Structure of Informational Macromolecules: DNA and RNA
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 10:16 pm
Each of the six sides of a snowflake are copies of each other, except when they are not. In fact, less than 1% are the traditional flake formation.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 10:21 pm
(March 30, 2016 at 9:38 pm)AAA Wrote: Are you guys saying that DNA does not convey information? I don't even think there is any debate in the scientific community. It clearly does. For example, chapter 33 in my biochemistry textbook is called: The Structure of Informational Macromolecules: DNA and RNA
No, we're telling you to get a fucking education before quoting things you clearly don't understand. But be my guest, keep talking out of apologist's ass for all I care. Been there, done that. Lost interest in this thread quite some time ago, going by your select replies. When your 101 on how to counter atheist claims fails, it's only the sound of silence or some quote taken totally out of context, as I have proven to be the case before.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 30, 2016 at 11:36 pm
(March 30, 2016 at 10:21 pm)abaris Wrote: (March 30, 2016 at 9:38 pm)AAA Wrote: Are you guys saying that DNA does not convey information? I don't even think there is any debate in the scientific community. It clearly does. For example, chapter 33 in my biochemistry textbook is called: The Structure of Informational Macromolecules: DNA and RNA
No, we're telling you to get a fucking education before quoting things you clearly don't understand. But be my guest, keep talking out of apologist's ass for all I care. Been there, done that. Lost interest in this thread quite some time ago, going by your select replies. When your 101 on how to counter atheist claims fails, it's only the sound of silence or some quote taken totally out of context, as I have proven to be the case before.
This was my first response on this thread, so I'm not sure what you mean by select replies and countering atheist claims. Do you want to take it up with Tymoczko, Berg, and Stryer? These are the authors of the textbook. It isn't out of context, it is the title of a chapter.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 31, 2016 at 4:47 am
(March 30, 2016 at 8:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (March 30, 2016 at 8:05 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including one's capacity for logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning, emotional knowledge, memory, planning, creativity and problem solving. It can be more generally described as the ability to perceive information, and retain it as knowledge to be applied towards adaptive behaviors within an environment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligen...telligence
DNA has an ability to perceive information, eg that an error has occurred in the process of replication. It retains this knowledge through subsequent generations. It also uses this retained knowledge to make adaptive behaviours, ie to conduct very complex, multi-stage repair processes. How is it that this does not qualify as intelligent?
Can it do my homework for me? Jk...I'm not in school.
Boy...a designer intellectually capable of designing such complexity would have to be FAR more complex than any of the stuff he designed, right? So, I wonder who designed that designer? I mean...since complexity can't just emerge naturally. According to you.
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