Transexuals

[Goosebump]

No, no they are not: http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03...hro/198533

This video is specifically related to rape not increasing in America relating to transgender bathrooms not rape overall in any restroom.

Local to me it gets reported maybe once a year if that someone has been raped in some toilets.  But if that's just local to me my involving two main locations my local town and city, in the UK where they have a relatively low rate of rape, I imagine world wide it's not the most uncommon thing for someone to be raped in a restroom.  

It's difficult to find statistics exactly, plus I imagine some goes unreported, and if I search for toilet rape it's mainly porn that comes up.

It's not just a video... it's an article... requires reading. You know like what your doing right now.

[robvalue]

I have had a lot of thoughts about this whole discussion:

http://youtu.be/JWyj-EcDkNY

[I_am_not_mafia]

So that being said, are you for or against gender neutral restrooms?  Do you think transsexuals as vulnerable people will in danger of having their crotch groped by men while their mates laugh or whatever if people of all genders are sharing the same toilet area.

I also live in the UK. There's often a separate single toilet for disabled use that other people can use for whatever reason which is good for transsexuals who are not confident about passing or who have only just started living full time. I'm in favour of letting the TS figure out which toilet they should use. They're the ones who can tell which one will get them stared at less. All they want to do is live a normal life.

[LadyForCamus]

I have had a lot of thoughts about this whole discussion:

http://youtu.be/JWyj-EcDkNY

Summed up my feelings perfectly. You're so good at that. Also, I never considered that creating a separate bathroom for transgendered individuals will instantly identify them as such, and turn them into targets. Just another reason why this whole thing is ridiculous...

[robvalue]

Thank you

I thought maybe a different format might hit home with someone, somewhere. If I can make just one person stop and properly think about this I'll be happy.

Those that need to, of course! I'm mostly preaching to the non-choir

When I was doing a rehabilitation course, I worked alongside a transgender woman. At the time, I didn't understand all the facts about it. All I knew was she wanted to live as a woman. That was good enough for me. I didn't have to know the science to be supportive. What did the reason matter? She was being very brave just to "be herself". Almost everyone else there was supportive too.

[LadyForCamus]

I have had a lot of thoughts about this whole discussion:

http://youtu.be/JWyj-EcDkNY

Summed up my feelings perfectly. You're so good at that. Also, I never considered that creating a separate bathroom for transgendered individuals will instantly identify them as such, and turn them into targets. Just another reason why this whole thing is ridiculous...

Yeah...theists are so practiced in believing things based solely on feelings that I suppose we shouldn't be surprised when they extend that approach to any number of non-religious circumstances as well. Or, maybe this does in fact boil down to religion. I believe there is a passage in Deuteronomy (?) prohibiting people from dressing as the opposite sex? Don't quote me on that though.

[robvalue]

Right, which came first? The bigot or the egg?

I think it has an awful lot to do with upbringing. People seem to generally soak up prejudices from their family and friends. There is probably an evolutionary element of fear of "the unknown", so to speak. But I don't believe people are born with a prejudice against certain groups. It doesn't make sense.

If the same people were born when slavery was around, they would probably have been fine with it. It seems somewhat natural to adopt societal norms, and even "accepted bigotry" within those norms.

[paulpablo]

This video is specifically related to rape not increasing in America relating to transgender bathrooms not rape overall in any restroom.

Local to me it gets reported maybe once a year if that someone has been raped in some toilets.  But if that's just local to me my involving two main locations my local town and city, in the UK where they have a relatively low rate of rape, I imagine world wide it's not the most uncommon thing for someone to be raped in a restroom.  

It's difficult to find statistics exactly, plus I imagine some goes unreported, and if I search for toilet rape it's mainly porn that comes up.

It's not just a video... it's an article... requires reading. You know like what your doing right now.

I meant article.  15 Experts Debunk Right-Wing Transgender Bathroom Myth

That's the title of the article and if you read through it it's directly linked to rapes in association with laws relating to transgender toilet areas in places in the united states and not just general rapes world wide.  So get off your high horse and stop being a sarcastic shit head.

There is actually no video, it's just the article, and as I'm telling you now it isn't world wide statistics on rape in restrooms.

[paulpablo]

Well it would be easier to peep at women using the toilets if you're inside the restroom more so than if you're outside the restroom.

How so?  Could a man not wait outside of a deserted restroom in the wee hours of the night, go in behind her, and accomplish the exact same thing minus having to dress up?  If you are going to make the claim that it is easier, you have to demonstrate that.

I didn't see this post before.  I thought we were talking about if it would be easier for a person allowed into the toilets legally being able to peep than someone not allowed into toilets.  My only point was that it's easier to commit offences in toilets that you're legally allowed to go into.  No I can't imagine many rapists bothering to dress up as women to rape.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

How so?  Could a man not wait outside of a deserted restroom in the wee hours of the night, go in behind her, and accomplish the exact same thing minus having to dress up?  If you are going to make the claim that it is easier, you have to demonstrate that.

I didn't see this post before.  I thought we were talking about if it would be easier for a person allowed into the toilets legally being able to peep than someone not allowed into toilets.  My only point was that it's easier to commit offences in toilets that you're legally allowed to go into.  No I can't imagine many rapists bothering to dress up as women to rape.

Um, you're already "allowed" to go into toilets anyway, because the door isn't locked and no one guards them. It's as easy as that. The idea that making it okay for transgenders makes it "easier" for someone to do that kind of thing is patently ridiculous. 

If a transgender lady still is not transitioned, to the point that she still looks entirely like a man, she's not going to feel comfortable going into a womens' room and standing out. She'll use the men's room until such time as she feels comfortable moving to a more appropriate location where she can fit in. And yet, we're discussing the comfort of the straight people, just in case they notice a person who doesn't quite fit in? 

How can y'all not see that this is the same exact argument that was used against desegregation and gay rights? It's being used now against the BLM movement, with the "well what about white people's feelings!?!" counter.

When you are a majority looking to take away rights of a minority that is already telling you they are under constant (literal) assaut, either verbally or physically, or you try in any other way repress them, it is the highest degree of inanity to then claim it's YOUR discomfort and fear that should be taken into account.

FFS!