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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 2:55 am
Quote:I don't know why hes a Christian.
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 6:04 am
(April 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm)MrJatt Wrote: Okay here is some context, me and my cousin debate a lot. He is a dual major into his 4th year of philosophy and mathematics...and hes a Christian...(~drum roll smash~).
I asked him what is his reason being a theist and, why choose christianty over any other religion and here is what he said:
"the main two reasons I will give that I am a theist are:
1. I think belief in God is properly basic.
2. The likelihood of my cognitive structure structure retaining true beliefs is greater than on theism, than given atheism).
And for Christian theism in particularly:
3. Argument that God is not a unitarian God.
4. The Resurrection as the best explanation of certain facts about the historical Jesus.
5. Religious experience.
"
now i do not have the knowledge to refute these except the 5th one, so i need some help to understand and perhaps refute this.
Also Hello! this is my first post 
Just to clarify, you want to gain the knowledge to be able to refute him? How do you know that this knowledge exists (ie that his points are wrong)?
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 6:11 am
(April 24, 2011 at 6:04 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: (April 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm)MrJatt Wrote: Okay here is some context, me and my cousin debate a lot. He is a dual major into his 4th year of philosophy and mathematics...and hes a Christian...(~drum roll smash~).
I asked him what is his reason being a theist and, why choose christianty over any other religion and here is what he said:
"the main two reasons I will give that I am a theist are:
1. I think belief in God is properly basic.
2. The likelihood of my cognitive structure structure retaining true beliefs is greater than on theism, than given atheism).
And for Christian theism in particularly:
3. Argument that God is not a unitarian God.
4. The Resurrection as the best explanation of certain facts about the historical Jesus.
5. Religious experience.
"
now i do not have the knowledge to refute these except the 5th one, so i need some help to understand and perhaps refute this.
Also Hello! this is my first post
Just to clarify, you want to gain the knowledge to be able to refute him? How do you know that this knowledge exists (ie that his points are wrong)?
Ummm
Most of the cousins assumptions are NOT supported by historical evidence??
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 6:15 am
(April 24, 2011 at 6:11 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (April 24, 2011 at 6:04 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: (April 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm)MrJatt Wrote: Okay here is some context, me and my cousin debate a lot. He is a dual major into his 4th year of philosophy and mathematics...and hes a Christian...(~drum roll smash~).
I asked him what is his reason being a theist and, why choose christianty over any other religion and here is what he said:
"the main two reasons I will give that I am a theist are:
1. I think belief in God is properly basic.
2. The likelihood of my cognitive structure structure retaining true beliefs is greater than on theism, than given atheism).
And for Christian theism in particularly:
3. Argument that God is not a unitarian God.
4. The Resurrection as the best explanation of certain facts about the historical Jesus.
5. Religious experience.
"
now i do not have the knowledge to refute these except the 5th one, so i need some help to understand and perhaps refute this.
Also Hello! this is my first post
Just to clarify, you want to gain the knowledge to be able to refute him? How do you know that this knowledge exists (ie that his points are wrong)?
Ummm
Most of the cousins assumptions are NOT supported by historical evidence??
What I mean is that the OP seems to want to gain knowledge to refute his cousins points. I would have thought that if he disagrees with his cousin, that he would already know the reason why.
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 6:22 am
(April 24, 2011 at 2:09 am)theVOID Wrote: No Christian can present a sound and valid epistemology that permits belief in a God, that is precisely why they resort to this "properly basic" bullshit. Ryft says the opposite. The difference is I've seen him defend that.
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 6:41 am
Okay, I'll PM him and ask him to present it.
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 10:26 am
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(April 24, 2011 at 6:04 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: (April 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm)MrJatt Wrote: Okay here is some context, me and my cousin debate a lot. He is a dual major into his 4th year of philosophy and mathematics...and hes a Christian...(~drum roll smash~).
I asked him what is his reason being a theist and, why choose christianty over any other religion and here is what he said:
"the main two reasons I will give that I am a theist are:
1. I think belief in God is properly basic.
2. The likelihood of my cognitive structure structure retaining true beliefs is greater than on theism, than given atheism).
And for Christian theism in particularly:
3. Argument that God is not a unitarian God.
4. The Resurrection as the best explanation of certain facts about the historical Jesus.
5. Religious experience.
"
now i do not have the knowledge to refute these except the 5th one, so i need some help to understand and perhaps refute this.
Also Hello! this is my first post
Just to clarify, you want to gain the knowledge to be able to refute him? How do you know that this knowledge exists (ie that his points are wrong)?
Well, If you don't have the expertise to debate with someone do you automatically say, OK you are right i'm wrong? I tried Google, but i can't find relevant* information so i google the keyterms you guys mention and use them. I am no expert, therefore i rely on others to help me understand.
Also another key point, i don't have the knowledge to debate about Jesus.
As for God, after watch the videos posted why Eleazar i understand #1,2 and disagree.
I refuse to agree to disagree. :cool2:
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 10:33 am
(April 24, 2011 at 10:26 am)MrJatt Wrote: (April 24, 2011 at 6:04 am)Garmston Ansell Wrote: (April 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm)MrJatt Wrote: Okay here is some context, me and my cousin debate a lot. He is a dual major into his 4th year of philosophy and mathematics...and hes a Christian...(~drum roll smash~).
I asked him what is his reason being a theist and, why choose christianty over any other religion and here is what he said:
"the main two reasons I will give that I am a theist are:
1. I think belief in God is properly basic.
2. The likelihood of my cognitive structure structure retaining true beliefs is greater than on theism, than given atheism).
And for Christian theism in particularly:
3. Argument that God is not a unitarian God.
4. The Resurrection as the best explanation of certain facts about the historical Jesus.
5. Religious experience.
"
now i do not have the knowledge to refute these except the 5th one, so i need some help to understand and perhaps refute this.
Also Hello! this is my first post
Just to clarify, you want to gain the knowledge to be able to refute him? How do you know that this knowledge exists (ie that his points are wrong)?
Well, If you don't have the expertise to debate with someone do you automatically say, OK you are right i'm wrong? I tried Google, but i can't find relevant* information so i google the keyterms you guys mention and use them. I am no expert, therefore i rely on others to help me understand.
Also another key point, i don't have the knowledge to debate about Jesus.
As for God, after watch the videos posted why Eleazar i understand #1,2 and disagree.
Absolutely. I'm just asking why ask for help refuting something without knowing if it's incorrect. And if you do know, you should surely also know why, wouldn't you say?
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 10:42 am
Good point Garmston Ansell, I think you have spotted a core bias MrJatt has - He should not be looking for refutations when he doesn't "have the expertise to debate with someone" but rather seek to understand the issue.
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RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 24, 2011 at 10:51 am
(April 24, 2011 at 10:42 am)theVOID Wrote: Good point Garmston Ansell, I think you have spotted a core bias MrJatt has - He should not be looking for refutations when he doesn't "have the expertise to debate with someone" but rather seek to understand the issue.
O_O hmm i see, well I make no apologies for it 
I refuse to agree to disagree. :cool2:
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