Human Race: Your Numbers Up

[Cinjin]

No, laws of physics as we understand them does not doom us to eventual extinction. We can survive even the entropy death of our universe. It's hard to do, but nothing says it in principle can't be done.

I'm assuming this is a response to Rayaan's posting.

[Violet]

No, laws of physics as we understand them does not doom us to eventual extinction. We can survive even the entropy death of our universe. It's hard to do, but nothing says it in principle can't be done.

While it could be entirely possible for us to never die out (ever)... it is colloquially supposed that all things end.

[Anomalocaris]

Really? one more billion that can bite the radioactive dust without imperiling our specie's survival.

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No, laws of physics as we understand them does not doom us to eventual extinction. We can survive even the entropy death of our universe. It's hard to do, but nothing says it in principle can't be done.

While it could be entirely possible for us to never die out (ever)... it is colloquially supposed that all things end.

This Colloquial supposition is not made inevitable by law of physics. Thus it is merely a challenge.

[Cinjin]

Really? one more billion that can bite the radioactive dust without imperiling our specie's survival.

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No, laws of physics as we understand them does not doom us to eventual extinction. We can survive even the entropy death of our universe. It's hard to do, but nothing says it in principle can't be done.

While it could be entirely possible for us to never die out (ever)... it is colloquially supposed that all things end.

This Colloquial supposition is not made inevitable by law of physics. Thus it is merely a challenge.

Laws of physics aside, extinction of the human race really can't be ruled out as a possibility considering #1 the current condition of the resources of this planet and #2 the inescapable history of mankind's willingness to annihilate one another. I would say the latter combined with the former is in fact the most likely way the human race will come to a near end. Asteroids, black holes, global warming and the surprise return of jesus probably don't even come close on a percentage of likelihood scale.

[Violet]

#1 the current condition of the resources of this planet

They are fine. When we start dying, they will still be fine.

#2 the inescapable history of mankind's willingness to annihilate one another

And we see a multinternational military alliance (2 of them, infact). I find it revolting, but if the eventual goal is to consolidate power under a single banner: why the hell are they taking so long.

[Cinjin]

#1 the current condition of the resources of this planet

They are fine. When we start dying, they will still be fine.

yes, that is one side of the debate. The other side, of which there is far more evidence, is that earths resources are not "fine" ... but I do enjoy the "nuh uuh" argument when people like myself express concern about our planet.

[Violet]

#1 the current condition of the resources of this planet

They are fine. When we start dying, they will still be fine.

yes, that is one side of the debate. The other side, of which there is far more evidence, is that earths resources are not "fine" ... but I do enjoy the "nuh uuh" argument when people like myself express concern about our planet.

Life is a hellhole spiral of death. It's not fair or kind, and luck is all that stands between survival and annihilation. When something pivotal to a system is worn to destruction, the entire system will adapt. In the process much more will be destroyed. Arising out of that will be the new life that perpetuates the maelstrom.

The concern over this planet is misguided. It's always about 'preserve this' or 'protect that'... never about 'does this work out efficiently?' or 'is it worth damaging another industry to do this?' Hence, this isn't a thing for which we need evidence. It is a question of progress or conserve. Naught more.

I say progress of course.

[downbeatplumb]

It is of course quite possile that humans will evolve into something else.
Our ancestors were little shrew like mammals, arent we glad we moved on from that.

[Cinjin]

#1 the current condition of the resources of this planet

They are fine. When we start dying, they will still be fine.

yes, that is one side of the debate. The other side, of which there is far more evidence, is that earths resources are not "fine" ... but I do enjoy the "nuh uuh" argument when people like myself express concern about our planet.

Life is a hellhole spiral of death. It's not fair or kind, and luck is all that stands between survival and annihilation. When something pivotal to a system is worn to destruction, the entire system will adapt. In the process much more will be destroyed. Arising out of that will be the new life that perpetuates the maelstrom.

no objection here.

The concern over this planet is misguided. It's always about 'preserve this' or 'protect that'... never about 'does this work out efficiently?' or 'is it worth damaging another industry to do this?' Hence, this isn't a thing for which we need evidence. It is a question of progress or conserve. Naught more.

objection here. Firstly, this is just your opinion, and thank god for that, cause if everybody treated this opinion of yours as some kind of 'truth' we'd have nothing but dry rainforests, fish free seas and oil coating the surface of the ocean. Secondly, how is having enough food for everyone on the planet a question of "how does this work out efficiently?" What "industry is being damage" when we run out of water or fuel? We ask those questions all the time and quite frankly ... we're trying to do both... protect the planet AND feed the masses.
An example: China has lost millions of acres of farmland due to massive water shortages. This in turn, does no allow them to grow the necessary food they need to support their own country. This is happening elsewhere. It's happening all over. Read the article I posted ... it's easy to have a cavalier attitude about the earth's resources when you've got a full belly and plenty of video games to play.
The concern over this planet is not misguided and here's why ... we don't want people to die. You would be right if all we were talking about was the overall survival of the earth itself. Yep, no problem, the earth will survive just fine. But since many of us are concerned more about the people living on this planet - we can't afford the luxury of sharing your attitude and just ignore the amount of resources that have been diminishing over the past 30 years. The article clearly states that if the all the nations of the world used what the US and the UK use in resources we would need two more planets just to sustain human life on this one. And the world is very quickly moving in that direction.

Ending on my original point: There is much concern by the scientific community that the human race could be in real trouble in the relatively near future.

[fr0d0]

It'll be interesting in 2050 when the world population is estimated to hit 9 billion - the maximum supportable by fresh water resources. Should be interesting and exciting times technologically as we adapt to survive.