Are You A Slave To Some Cult?

[Angrboda]

[Thumpalumpacus]

The only question I've got is, pineapple or cactus?

[Losty]

I don't think he has any great ideas. What idea does he have that's good?

Quite a few on this list, but the stricter border control system and detaining illegal immigrants until they are deported is a pretty damn good idea for a start.

Do you actually know anything about this country? I live in Georgia, for example. 80% of our state's income is in agriculture. When they passed the E-verify bill it was so devastating that farmers had huge posters in the department of labor first offering 10 and then 12 dollars an hour for people to pick crops and the crops were still rotting away. My friend owns a blueberry farm and the first week she was shipping off Americans in ambulances. The second week...no one even showed up. It didn't take much time for them to amend it to exclude farmers. If we actually deported the illegal immigrants entire states would go bankrupt. I don't know if you know about the current condition but in georgia economic state is so bad that we have no energy assistance program and section 8 is so backed up that you can't even get on the 2 year waiting list. We have families, especially single parent families, that can't pay their electric bill and therefore have no electric. I've met people with no running water in their home. The living conditions among the working poor are really really bad. It's depressing. It's hard to sleep at night if you let yourself think about it. Deporting illegal immigrants would be absolutely devastating to our economy. At best it's an irresponsible idea that's very poorly thought out.

[Losty]

The only question I've got is, pineapple or cactus?

I already sent out the cactus

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Quite a few on this list, but the stricter border control system and detaining illegal immigrants until they are deported is a pretty damn good idea for a start.

Do you actually know anything about this country? I live in Georgia, for example. 80% of our state's income is in agriculture. When they passed the E-verify bill it was so devastating that farmers had huge posters in the department of labor first offering 10 and then 12 dollars an hour for people to pick crops and the crops were still rotting away. My friend owns a blueberry farm and the first week she was shipping off Americans in ambulances. The second week...no one even showed up. It didn't take much time for them to amend it to exclude farmers. If we actually deported the illegal immigrants entire states would go bankrupt. I don't know if you know about the current condition but in georgia economic state is so bad that we have no energy assistance program and section 8 is so backed up that you can't even get on the 2 year waiting list. We have families, especially single parent families, that can't pay their electric bill and therefore have no electric. I've met people with no running water in their home. The living conditions among the working poor are really really bad. It's depressing. It's hard to sleep at night if you let yourself think about it. Deporting illegal immigrants would be absolutely devastating to our economy. At best it's an irresponsible idea that's very poorly thought out.

Yikes.

Illegal immigrants are still, just that, illegal.

Detain them and perhaps offer some of them a path to citizenship? But just ignoring illegal aliens and letting them run rampant is not the solution either.

Georgia sounds terrible..

[Losty]

I don't know what the solution is honestly. I'd be in favor of making them all legal but then we would have the problem of paying them a minimum wage which the way the laws are currently would be bad for them and the farmers. They make more money when they're not paid hourly and the farmers see more crops moved when they don't pay their workers hourly.

I'm sure there's a plan that could be made that would solve the current problem and prevent it from reoccurring if we could get politicians who actually cared about that. The way it is now, it's easier and less expensive to leave things the way they are. Not to mention the great political platforms that both parties would lose if they actually solved the problem.

[Losty]

You know how some manufacturers are infamous for making products that will break on purpose so that you'll have to pay them to fix it or buy a new one (*cough* Apple *cough*)? That's how I see the American government. They keep things just shitty enough that they can get your vote by promising to fix the problems they created. But they rarely actually fix anything.

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I don't know what the solution is honestly. I'd be in favor of making them all legal but then we would have the problem of paying them a minimum wage which the way the laws are currently would be bad for them and the farmers. They make more money when they're not paid hourly and the farmers see more crops moved when they don't pay their workers hourly.

I'm sure there's a plan that could be made that would solve the current problem and prevent it from reoccurring if we could get politicians who actually cared about that. The way it is now, it's easier and less expensive to leave things the way they are. Not to mention the great political platforms that both parties would lose if they actually solved the problem.

Making every single one legal is a bad idea. Surely you agree they should be made to pass background checks first?

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You know how some manufacturers are infamous for making products that will break on purpose so that you'll have to pay them to fix it or buy a new one (*cough* Apple *cough*)? That's how I see the American government. They keep things just shitty enough that they can get your vote by promising to fix the problems they created. But they rarely actually fix anything.

Apple products are fantastic. A bit on the expensive side, but the build quality is simply phenomenal. But I see your point. It's like pretty much every government on earth; ours is fucking shitty too.

Hope your state gets sorted. It's disgraceful that people are without running water in this day and age.

[Losty]

Well yea, of course. That's just a given. But I think only violent crimes should exclude them. They shouldn't be excluded for driving without a license.