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A Necessary Being?
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:27 pm)quip Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:26 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Because "necessary" implies "purpose".

Not logical necessity.

Logical necessity without purpose is illogical necessity
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm (This post was last modified: August 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
...................................?

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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: ...................................?

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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:27 pm)quip Wrote: Not logical necessity.

Logical necessity without purpose is illogical necessity

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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: ...................................?

Just click the damn link I provided Magi, lol.

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LOL.  Hey...I;ll say this.  I understand where you're coming from.  The sorts of necessary beings you've seen argued most often are the purpose implying or setting types.  As I was discussing with Rob, you've been treated to a continual misuse of the concept by god botherers..it's all you're familiar with.
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:37 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 4:50 pm)TheMuslim Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 4:47 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I don't know all the ins and outs of existence so I'd have to say I don't know the answer to the question.

I was considering not replying at all but that might look ignorant.

You don't have be omniscient to find problems with philosophical concepts. Kant, Hume, and many other philosophers have found logical problems in many concepts. So I was wondering if there was any inherently logical problems with the concept of a Necessary Being.

Well you asked at least two questions in the opening post.

One question was "Is there anything illogical about there being a necessary being."

The other I noticed was "Have you accepted that it is possible for a necessary being to exist?"

So my reply is pretty much the same, whether it's a philosophical or scientific question.

I don't have enough knowledge about existence to know if it's illogical for a necessary being to exist, there's nothing that I know of that would make it illogical.

Secondly, I have not accepted that is possible that a necessary being exists because I don't know enough about the nature of existence.


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#47
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:48 pm
Necessary being discussions are truly in the realm of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0zjorR68A

There is absolutely no practical application to this line of thought, only classification and then it is only important to discuss this arbitrarily assigned quality to things that can be imagined but defy observation.
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:52 pm (This post was last modified: August 29, 2016 at 5:52 pm by Arkilogue.)
It seems the only necessary thing current science (academia) needs is a quantum something in nothing....then it fluctuates and burps out universes like a drunken bingo machine. Lucky us!
BTW, what is "pure being"? What is absolute existence?
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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:57 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: I have click-o-phobia Tongue

LOL.  Hey...I;ll say this.  I understand where you're coming from.  The sorts of necessary beings you've seen argued most often are the purpose implying or setting types.  As I was discussing with Rob, you've been treated to a continual misuse of the concept by god botherers..it's all you're familiar with.

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RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 6:05 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:57 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL.  Hey...I;ll say this.  I understand where you're coming from.  The sorts of necessary beings you've seen argued most often are the purpose implying or setting types.  As I was discussing with Rob, you've been treated to a continual misuse of the concept by god botherers..it's all you're familiar with.

Think she might be ready to choose between the red pill and blue pill?

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