Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 25, 2026, 7:23 pm
Atheist Forums › Community › Philosophy v
A Necessary Being?

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Thread Modes
A Necessary Being?
Aoi Magi Offline
The coolest magi in existence
****
Religious Views: not sure
Posts: 6868
Threads: 51
Joined: September 14, 2014
Reputation: 43
#41
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:27 pm)quip Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:26 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Because "necessary" implies "purpose".

Not logical necessity.

Logical necessity without purpose is illogical necessity
Quote:To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.
- Lau Tzu

Join me on atheistforums Slack Cool Shades (pester tibs via pm if you need invite) Tongue

Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 68886
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 161
#42
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm (This post was last modified: August 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
...................................?

Just click the damn link I provided Magi, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
Aoi Magi Offline
The coolest magi in existence
****
Religious Views: not sure
Posts: 6868
Threads: 51
Joined: September 14, 2014
Reputation: 43
#43
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: ...................................?

Just click the damn link I provided Magi, lol.

I have click-o-phobia Tongue
Quote:To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.
- Lau Tzu

Join me on atheistforums Slack Cool Shades (pester tibs via pm if you need invite) Tongue

Find
Reply
quip Offline
Junior Member
**
Religious Views: Buddhist
Posts: 190
Threads: 1
Joined: May 17, 2016
Reputation: 0
#44
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:27 pm)quip Wrote: Not logical necessity.

Logical necessity without purpose is illogical necessity

Huh
Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 68886
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 161
#45
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: ...................................?

Just click the damn link I provided Magi, lol.

I have click-o-phobia Tongue

LOL.  Hey...I;ll say this.  I understand where you're coming from.  The sorts of necessary beings you've seen argued most often are the purpose implying or setting types.  As I was discussing with Rob, you've been treated to a continual misuse of the concept by god botherers..it's all you're familiar with.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
paulpablo Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: there probably is no god
Posts: 6051
Threads: 256
Joined: January 2, 2013
Reputation: 30
#46
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:37 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 4:50 pm)TheMuslim Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 4:47 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I don't know all the ins and outs of existence so I'd have to say I don't know the answer to the question.

I was considering not replying at all but that might look ignorant.

You don't have be omniscient to find problems with philosophical concepts. Kant, Hume, and many other philosophers have found logical problems in many concepts. So I was wondering if there was any inherently logical problems with the concept of a Necessary Being.

Well you asked at least two questions in the opening post.

One question was "Is there anything illogical about there being a necessary being."

The other I noticed was "Have you accepted that it is possible for a necessary being to exist?"

So my reply is pretty much the same, whether it's a philosophical or scientific question.

I don't have enough knowledge about existence to know if it's illogical for a necessary being to exist, there's nothing that I know of that would make it illogical.

Secondly, I have not accepted that is possible that a necessary being exists because I don't know enough about the nature of existence.


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.





Find
Reply
Cato Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: Anti-theist
Posts: 6946
Threads: 26
Joined: April 28, 2012
Reputation: 83
#47
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:48 pm
Necessary being discussions are truly in the realm of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0zjorR68A

There is absolutely no practical application to this line of thought, only classification and then it is only important to discuss this arbitrarily assigned quality to things that can be imagined but defy observation.
Find
Reply
Arkilogue Offline
Cosmic Cartologist.
***
Religious Views: Telestic: Aimed toward completion
Posts: 2084
Threads: 7
Joined: August 14, 2016
Reputation: 10
#48
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:52 pm (This post was last modified: August 29, 2016 at 5:52 pm by Arkilogue.)
It seems the only necessary thing current science (academia) needs is a quantum something in nothing....then it fluctuates and burps out universes like a drunken bingo machine. Lucky us!
BTW, what is "pure being"? What is absolute existence?
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
Find
Reply
Whateverist Away Donators
Known religious sympathizer/accomodationist
*****
Religious Views: Be civil or die!
Posts: 23917
Threads: 300
Joined: June 25, 2011
Reputation: 150
#49
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 5:57 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: I have click-o-phobia Tongue

LOL.  Hey...I;ll say this.  I understand where you're coming from.  The sorts of necessary beings you've seen argued most often are the purpose implying or setting types.  As I was discussing with Rob, you've been treated to a continual misuse of the concept by god botherers..it's all you're familiar with.

Think she might be ready to choose between the red pill and blue pill?
Find
Reply
Arkilogue Offline
Cosmic Cartologist.
***
Religious Views: Telestic: Aimed toward completion
Posts: 2084
Threads: 7
Joined: August 14, 2016
Reputation: 10
#50
RE: A Necessary Being?
August 29, 2016 at 6:05 pm
(August 29, 2016 at 5:57 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL.  Hey...I;ll say this.  I understand where you're coming from.  The sorts of necessary beings you've seen argued most often are the purpose implying or setting types.  As I was discussing with Rob, you've been treated to a continual misuse of the concept by god botherers..it's all you're familiar with.

Think she might be ready to choose between the red pill and blue pill?

[Image: mC8WBeyRbk-14.png]
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Community › Philosophy v
A Necessary Being?

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  A timeless being cannot create mcc1789 125 35117 August 29, 2019 at 1:01 am
Last Post: GrandizerII
  Best response to "You are being too bookish and nerdy!"? FlatAssembler 25 6641 April 5, 2018 at 5:39 pm
Last Post: *Deidre*
  Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? LadyForCamus 86 22189 November 22, 2017 at 11:37 pm
Last Post: Martian Mermaid
  Necessary Thing Ignorant 204 59318 April 24, 2016 at 1:14 pm
Last Post: J a c k
  Necessary First Principles, Self-Evident Truths Mudhammam 4 2576 July 10, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Last Post: Pyrrho
  Being vs. Believing henryp 22 7929 May 27, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Last Post: henryp
  God as a non-empirical being noctalla 39 11094 April 19, 2015 at 4:46 am
Last Post: robvalue
  is being condescending ever a good tactic? MusicLovingAtheist 20 5433 September 19, 2014 at 8:13 pm
Last Post: ShaMan
  Necessary Truths Exist Rational AKD 57 32276 December 25, 2013 at 6:39 am
Last Post: Rational AKD
  The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard! Mystic 24 11640 May 16, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Last Post: Godscreated



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)