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RE: Prison as punishment
November 10, 2016 at 12:36 pm
(November 10, 2016 at 11:58 am)Rhythm Wrote: Unless were talking about those people, specifically, then what's the point? OFC something additional has to be done about people who are comfortable reoffending, people who put themselves into contempt or violate the terms of their probation. That;s sort of the point of probation. To see if a person can comport themselves lawfully for a set period of time...so that we -don;t- have to ruin their lives with a prison time for, say, an accident. Negligence, a momentary lapse in judgement not at all limited to them and currently being expressed by many others who aren't so much as on probation or even receiving a warning - who are still texting and driving even though they can see that guy go to jail.
The difference between the ones still texting and driving while not on probation and the one getting his rights taken away is that he murdered someone. Yes it was an accident, yes it wasn't on purpose, and yes it could happen to anyone but it didn't, it happened to that man due to his own decision to text and drive. He killed another person- that is murder.
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RE: Prison as punishment
November 10, 2016 at 12:41 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2016 at 12:43 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It wasn't murder if it was an accident. Maybe that's the subtle place where this notion of deserving prison time comes in? You might be conflating what a murderer "deserves" with what we should do in the case of this negligent or accidental death.
Even so, assuming that a person willfully plowed their vehicle into another person...I'd still simply say that a murderer needs to be isolated, not that a murderer deserves some sentence, that they need to be punished.
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RE: Prison as punishment
November 10, 2016 at 5:44 pm
There's a good documentary that's on now on channel 4 about life in prison. That's on uk television.
Only 15 minutes left though but it'll probably be on 4od
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RE: Prison as punishment
November 13, 2016 at 6:57 am
I'd like my favorite philosopher ever to answer this matter for me in his own words (well, translated from his German):
"...the law and its fulfillment, namely punishment, are directed essentially to the future, not to the past. This distinguishes punishment from revenge, for revenge is motivated by what has happened, and hence by the past as such. All retaliation for wrong by inflicting a pain without any object for the future is revenge, and can have no other purpose than consolation for the suffering one has endured by the sight of the suffering one has caused in another. Such a thing is wickedness and cruelty, and cannot be ethically justified. ...the object of punishment...is deterrence from crime.... Object and purpose for the future distinguish punishment from revenge, and punishment has this object only when it is inflicted in fulfillment of a law. Only in this way does it proclaim itself to be inevitable and infallible for every future case; and thus it obtains for the law the power to deter...."
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