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Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 12:50 am
I wanted to know what you think about OBEs. There have been a few cases that seem difficult to debunk.
Dr. Peter Fenwick has delt with thousands of OBEs in Near Death and says that patients sometimes have been able to "float" to another room and get information of what other people behind closed doors said. Then, they verify it.
One man was floating above his body, found a baby crying in another room. He was apparently able to talk to the baby, found out the baby had a broken arm. Then, when he was revived, he checked with doctors, and it turned out the baby's limb was broken.
Here is a video which claims there is life after death:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeM4m_4dWeA
How can so many people accurately describe what occurs when they have a dying brain or a brain that is dead? It seems like a poorly functioning brain cannot do this. Do you think that these examples I provide, albeit anecdotal, potentially prove a soul exists?
How did Dr. Fenwick find so many cases if they are just coincidences?
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 1:14 am
Because the human brain responds relatively predictably when deprived of oxygen?
Because this doctor a priori dismisses literally any physiological or psychological explanations for these phenomena?
Dr. Robert Todd Carroll Wrote:I don't think these "scientists" should be so quick to dismiss psychological and physiological explanations. The patients are administered an anesthesia and are most likely given other drugs as well. Can they really be so sure that the physiological changes due to cardiac arrest in addition to these drugs don't affect some people in such a way that they dream or hallucinate what they report as an NDE? They seem to know that they can't dismiss every case of anoxia, hypercardia or temporal lobe seizure as different from NDEs in "narrative quality."
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 8:45 am
Astral travelling was debunked in the 70's from memory...
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 9:01 am
I think they are they are nonsense.
My explanation is that they are the product of wishful thinking, false or manufactured testimony, and faulty scientific investigation.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 9:06 am
Again? You should know that LySergic acid Diethilamine is a thing. That can put stuff into perspective.
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 9:17 am
(January 25, 2017 at 12:50 am)arda101 Wrote: I wanted to know what you think about OBEs. There have been a few cases that seem difficult to debunk.
Dr. Peter Fenwick has delt with thousands of OBEs in Near Death and says that patients sometimes have been able to "float" to another room and get information of what other people behind closed doors said. Then, they verify it.
One man was floating above his body, found a baby crying in another room. He was apparently able to talk to the baby, found out the baby had a broken arm. Then, when he was revived, he checked with doctors, and it turned out the baby's limb was broken.
Here is a video which claims there is life after death:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeM4m_4dWeA
How can so many people accurately describe what occurs when they have a dying brain or a brain that is dead? It seems like a poorly functioning brain cannot do this. Do you think that these examples I provide, albeit anecdotal, potentially prove a soul exists?
How did Dr. Fenwick find so many cases if they are just coincidences?
We don't have to disprove them, you have to prove that they're anything but mundane.
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 9:25 am
Even if all we could say is "I don't know," that doesn't support a conclusion of any kind.
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 9:30 am
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(January 25, 2017 at 9:17 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: We don't have to disprove them, you have to prove that they're anything but mundane.
This ^^
A third-hand reporting of second-hand anecdotes plus a shifting of the burden of proof, with a yt video for added fibre? And you wonder why I'm not exactly convinced? I'm more interested in why the OP apparently does find this shit convincing. I bet it's not flattering, whatever it is.
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 10:53 am
arda101 Wrote:I wanted to know what you think about OBEs. There have been a few cases that seem difficult to debunk.
You and I have different standards on what constitutes 'difficult to debunk'.
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RE: Atheists, I want to know your explanation for these Out of body experiences?
January 25, 2017 at 11:03 am
What is there to debunk? These are not experiments by any scientific standards, no control, no reproducibility, no predictability and are not falsifiable either as they are just anecdotes.
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