America's obsession with guns

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And lying is good if both sides do it? You are willing to lower yourself if nobody wants to come up to your level? How sad.

I have never lied about his position. At best misunderstood, but not even then. The worst part is that he wont even listen to you after you state your own history of owning firearms.

I have not misunderstood him on bit. I see the same behaviors of blind loyalty to his position as I do when people defend a holy book. You and I both have rightfully expressed concern about his dreamy eyed talk of "If then I'd" as  if firearm use was an arcade game. 

Not once have you, being a firearm owner, talked like him, or bragged like him. Maybe you can talk some sense into him.

I didn't say you lied about anything.

[Brian37]

I have never lied about his position. At best misunderstood, but not even then. The worst part is that he wont even listen to you after you state your own history of owning firearms.

I have not misunderstood him on bit. I see the same behaviors of blind loyalty to his position as I do when people defend a holy book. You and I both have rightfully expressed concern about his dreamy eyed talk of "If then I'd" as  if firearm use was an arcade game. 

Not once have you, being a firearm owner, talked like him, or bragged like him. Maybe you can talk some sense into him.

I didn't say you lied about anything.

I know you were not accusing me of lying. I was simply adding to what you said. 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I didn't say you lied about anything.

I know you were not accusing me of lying. I was simply adding to what you said. 

Gotcha.

[The Grand Nudger]

I am not imagining shit. We have had a gun injury/death epidemic for decades. The last time the GOP gave a shit about that was when Reagan and Brady got shot. I am tired of fucking giving one shit about coddling the insecurities of idiots who flip out over a non existent threat in order to protect our flooded market.

The protection of a flooded market is unlikely to be the aim of the sorts of shit you're referring to.  Politicians use guns as a wedge issue, it obviously works...........

The real threat is the marketing of the NRA. Just like big tobacco marketed cigarettes.

If gun manufacturers left this country entirely - the NRA would persist to continue doing exactly what it does now, while the corporate gun lobby would cease to exist.  

Yes it is a free for all because the GOP obstructs any laws that could reduce gun injuries and death. Our regulations are not universal, there is no universal background check, which a majority of Americans  and even the majority of gun owners want. 

How does pretending we live in a gun free-for-all serve the cause of effective gun regulations, or any other policy that might curtail a real problem that really exists?  

I see stories every fucking day out here in the sticks where I live. Shootings are not an urban thing only. 

The real threat is that another corporate lobby just like big oil, is bullying government to put profits over lives. Just like big pharma has created an opiod epidemic. Guns are simply another product with CEOs who care more about profits than public safety.

The corporate gun lobby is the NSSF, not the NRA.

[Brian37]

I am not imagining shit. We have had a gun injury/death epidemic for decades. The last time the GOP gave a shit about that was when Reagan and Brady got shot. I am tired of fucking giving one shit about coddling the insecurities of idiots who flip out over a non existent threat in order to protect our flooded market.

The protection of a flooded market is unlikely to be the aim of the sorts of shit you're referring to.  Politicians use guns as a wedge issue, it obviously works...........

The real threat is the marketing of the NRA. Just like big tobacco marketed cigarettes.

If gun manufacturers left this country entirely - the NRA would persist to continue doing exactly what it does now, while the corporate gun lobby would cease to exist.  

Yes it is a free for all because the GOP obstructs any laws that could reduce gun injuries and death. Our regulations are not universal, there is no universal background check, which a majority of Americans  and even the majority of gun owners want. 

How does pretending we live in a gun free-for-all serve the cause of effective gun regulations, or any other policy that might curtail a real problem that really exists?  

I see stories every fucking day out here in the sticks where I live. Shootings are not an urban thing only. 

The real threat is that another corporate lobby just like big oil, is bullying government to put profits over lives. Just like big pharma has created an opiod epidemic. Guns are simply another product with CEOs who care more about profits than public safety.

The corporate gun lobby is the NSSF, not the NRA.

OH bullshit, I could give a shit what loophole dodge of a name you want to give the NRA, they are there to act as a heat shield to protect firearm companies. 

That's like arguing chewing tobacco isn't tobacco because it isn't a cigarette. 

They not only collect money from their members, they get huge donations from the firearm companies and they court politicians too. Now if you want to claim that is not a lobby, I could give a shit less, they still do that.

[The Grand Nudger]

OH bullshit, I could give a shit what loophole dodge of a name you want to give the NRA, they are there to act as a heat shield to protect firearm companies. 

I don't think you understand?  The NSSF isn't the NRA.  The NSSF is the corporate lobby that exists to pursue (and shield) the interests of firearm manufacturers.  The NRA is engaged in other business™.  

That's like arguing chewing tobacco isn't tobacco because it isn't a cigarette. 

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They not only collect money from their members, they get huge donations from the firearm companies and they court politicians too. Now if you want to claim that is not a lobby, I could give a shit less, they still do that.

Buddy, lol...the NRA -does- lobby, but it's not the one that you're talking about when you talk about corporate lobbies protecting manufacturers.   Another lobby does that, quietly.  The NSSF.  They're far more effective at that task due to their relative anonymity, whereas the high profile nature of NRA efforts and allegiance point to the actual service that -it- provides.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And no interlocking directorates, right?

[Brian37]

OH bullshit, I could give a shit what loophole dodge of a name you want to give the NRA, they are there to act as a heat shield to protect firearm companies. 

I don't think you understand?  The NSSF isn't the NRA.  The NSSF is the corporate lobby that exists to pursue (and shield) the interests of firearm manufacturers.  The NRA is engaged in other business™.  

That's like arguing chewing tobacco isn't tobacco because it isn't a cigarette. 

............................?

They not only collect money from their members, they get huge donations from the firearm companies and they court politicians too. Now if you want to claim that is not a lobby, I could give a shit less, they still do that.

Buddy, lol...the NRA -does- lobby, but it's not the one that you're talking about when you talk about corporate lobbies protecting manufacturers.   Another lobby does that, quietly.  The NSSF.  They're far more effective at that task due to their relative anonymity, whereas the high profile nature of NRA efforts and allegiance point to the actual service that -it- provides.

You agree they do lobby. AND, BOTH are not designed to promote gun safety, BOTH are heat shields for the industry.

So all you are pointing out is simply a lesser known entity that is still part of a protection racket. 

The NRA receives donations from the makers, do they not? The NRA courts politicians do they not? <----If I am correct then nothing in your post changes anything. It simply is being pedantic on your part.

[KUSA]

That reminds me. My NRA membership is about to expire. Time to renew.

Thanks Brian.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That reminds me. My NRA membership is about to expire. Time to renew.

Thanks Brian.

Use food money.